Texas judge grants woman’s request for abortion despite state ban

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no amount of money you could pay me to live in Texas at this point. And I am past childbearing years.... Or at least close to it. But there is no way in hell I would risk my life living in that state.... How do women have sex with men in that state?

High schools are rejecting even applying to some colleges based on the state they are in. Same with Medical students and residents etc.

The brain drain if this continues, will be stark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What did Ken Paxton gain from this stunt?

Millions in grift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of when Irish women had to travel to England for abortions. Abortion became legal in Ireland, a stronghold of the Catholic Church, in 2019. But here in America, a so-called bastion of democracy, we're going backwards in time!

Nope. Texas is its own republic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

And even most of the pro-lifers agree with exceptions and are horrified by what Ms. Cox has endured.

Yet enough of them have voted for this for decades that here we are. It’s not like what is happening to Ms. Cox and to all the other nameless women who have suffered through this and those who have died and the bumper crop of unwanted children is exactly a big leap from voting forced birther for years. What did they think was going to happen? Did they honestly believe that the architects of the forced birther movement would… care about women? Did they believe the line that this was about “life”? Even when their party leaders consistently demonstrated a total lack of care about any of those lives once born?

All of y’all - and we know some of you who have voted forced birther like good Chrischyins (because Jesus was famously on the side of the powerful) - ought to sit in shame and the real fear of God when you are spreading this kind of misery to women on purpose. There’s a reason that the same strain of Christianity that made explanations for enslaving people hates women this much too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of when Irish women had to travel to England for abortions. Abortion became legal in Ireland, a stronghold of the Catholic Church, in 2019. But here in America, a so-called bastion of democracy, we're going backwards in time!

Nope. Texas is its own republic.

Oh, so Texas is the “sh*t hole” country the ex president*** warned us about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone goes to Texas to be a doctor..... They need to have an Exodus in medical professionals

Many doctors are very religious and conservative.

You can have an OB-Gyn who disagrees with abortion and does not perform the procedure. My OB was this way in fact. My 2nd pregnancy almost ended with a dead baby and a dead me and I was advised to under no circumstances get pregnant again. And got an IUD because I was only 30 and deemed too young to have my tubes tied. (Spoiler alert, got pregnant a year later and it was ectopic). I asked what happened if I got pregnant when discussing the IUD and she said that she said she would not advise continuing the pregnancy, but she didn’t perform abortions, but a couple of her partners did, and she would refer me internally. Fair enough. I can live with that. There was a process in place for her to practice according to her conscious and her patients to get care. So yes, you can be an OB who has religious or moral objections to abortion and still practice and provide appropriate care.

No OB-Gyn (who isn’t a sociopath) wants to look at a patient with an ectopic pregnancy, or severe pre-eclampsia, or PROM, or a fetus with a fatal abnormality or any of the other dozen things that can go wrong and not be allowed to provide the standard of care to preserve their patient’s life and health because they could be charged with murder. Once things reach the point where the baby will die, the OB is left with vague guidelines, guessing how sick the patient they can save has to be before they can intervene. Does she have to be septic? How septic? Organs shutting down? Bleeding internally If OBs aren’t moved by the plight of their patients (and ai think 99% are), at a minimum they are placed in a position where if they wait too long, the woman dies and they get sued for malpractice. Or they don’t wait long enough and they are charged with murder. And no one has a clue where the line is. Especially since in some pregnancies, when things go wrong, it happens fast.

Interesting side note. ER physicians are leaving red states faster than OBs. Because when pregnancies can go bad, fast. And women end up in the ER with a ruptured tube an internal hemorrhaging. It’s actually ER docs who deal with many of these case because there isn’t time to schedule an appointment with the OB. And, BTW, these are the same ER docs who won’t be there to treat your heart attack or stroke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can Texas now prosecute her for child murder, or collect a bounty on people who helped her, or whatever they fk insanity laws they have passed down there? Is the women even going back to Texas now? This is election gold for democrats.

also, can the medical geniuses on this thread please chime back in? In your expert opinions, was she sick enough to merit the out of state abortion? Really curious about your views because of your decades of medical experience.

Yes. She can be sued civilly. Possibly criminally. Certainly Paxton will try.

As for the medical necessity, I don’t know for sure. We don’t have her medical records. But I have common sense. So, ask yourself this genius— why would someone file this lawsuit, put herself and her name out there to get all the MAGA death threats and doxxing unless it was a truly dire situation? Why go to the ER for emergency care 4 times for help after being diagnosed with a condition that is lethal to the fetus by genetic testing (so not something subjective, the chromosomes are what they are) unless she was having serious medical complication? Would you want to sit in the ER that often- pregnant and grieving and leaking and bleeding? And what Possible motive does she have for leaving the state to abort a *planned and wanted pregnancy after 20 weeks*— and incur all the expense of travel and lodging and the abortion itself and the potential legal liability of doing so. She could very well come back and find herself recovering from an abortion in jail once Ken gets done with her. Or her husband will for “helping to procure an abortion”. And, BTW, she’s leaving the two, also wanted and loves, young children she has at home when she goes to the ER and leaves the state. And if she and/or her husband are arrested when they return, her kids have no mom/parents. At a bare minimum, she and her husband will be sued into bankruptcy by half of TX under their bounty.

Do you think someone puts herself through all of that to end a *desperately wanted* pregnancy at the point when the baby is moving and she is bonding with it unless she has no other options? Because any mentally healthy woman who has given birth understands that among the chaos and lawsuits, she must be devastated to lose this pregnancy. I lost two wanted pregnancies earlier and under much less traumatic circumstances and all I could do was sit there and cry. It’s a terrible loss. (And BTW, I lost them in the toilet, like most women, and flushed them. It’s clumps of unrecognizable tissue, not a tiny baby with fingers and toes and eyelashes.

SMH. Last week, MAGA was saying that if it were truly an emergency she would just leave the state and the lawsuit was performative. Now she has left the state and the lawsuit she started will likely be dismissed as moot. So, she went through all this for nothing. And MAGA questions whether she needed to leave the state.

No, I don’t think she would leave Texas if she had any other option to preserve her life and fertility. And her fertility is a primary motivator because this woman wanted be a mom to this baby, and when she recovers, wants to parent another baby so badly that she’ll go toe to toe with Ken to make it happen. If she could wait for Texas Courts to make a decision, she would certainly minimize her (and he doctors and husbands) legal exposure— and give herself the best chance at a good outcome. This isn’t NH. Traveling in her condition out of a state the size of TX to NM or Colorado is, in and of itself, unsafe since she’s at risk for uterine rupture. Its not like Tx is a short distance from abortion providers able to terminate pregnancies at 20 weeks.

This isn’t a game. Its mother facing a terrible tragedy and a loss that will haunt her forever. And the party of small government sitting in the exam room, observing the pelvic exam, overruling her treatment providers. If this isn’t a danger to a major bodily system (at a minimum her reproductive system), then TX really has zero exceptions.

But sure. She’s fine. It’s abortion performance. She’s risking it all to prove a point. /s. It would be bad enough if MAGA were just morons. But no— they are cruel morons.

Why are you angrily commenting at me like I agree with the batsht crazy Texans? Reading comprehension. Get some.

I’m sorry if I misread. Like so many women, I’ve had a pregnancy tragedy. So this case makes me see red. And perhaps be too quick to react.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Supporters! Chime in! What say you? Was this wench sick enough to do this? I mean the nerve of her to leave, right? Speak up! Say something! Stand up for your beliefs! You advocated for this!

They have nothing. This poor woman even wants more children. If there's one case that might have had some chance at making Republicans understand, it was this one. But...nope. I'm just glad she made it out of Texas without getting arrested.

Let’s see what happens when she comes back. Paxton isn’t done yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

And even most of the pro-lifers agree with exceptions and are horrified by what Ms. Cox has endured.

Then why do they keep voting for the people that put these laws in place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

And even most of the pro-lifers agree with exceptions and are horrified by what Ms. Cox has endured.

Then why do they keep voting for the people that put these laws in place?

Yes. Please explain to me why they keep voting like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

And even most of the pro-lifers agree with exceptions and are horrified by what Ms. Cox has endured.

Then why do they keep voting for the people that put these laws in place?

Yes. Please explain to me why they keep voting like this.

Because people never think bad shlt like this will ever happen to them, until it does.

[Anonymous]

Ignorant and clueless about the complexities involved in human reproduction and how many things can go wrong.

[Anonymous]

My family swore to me nothing like this would happen..... Bragged by me baby lives they would be saving and because of medical exceptions no same person would prevent true in legitimate medical exceptions from ever happening. So there was no downside.....yep

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of when Irish women had to travel to England for abortions. Abortion became legal in Ireland, a stronghold of the Catholic Church, in 2019. But here in America, a so-called bastion of democracy, we're going backwards in time!

Nope. Texas is its own republic.

Time to secede then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

And even most of the pro-lifers agree with exceptions and are horrified by what Ms. Cox has endured.

Then why do they keep voting for the people that put these laws in place?

Yes. Please explain to me why they keep voting like this.

Because people never think bad shlt like this will ever happen to them, until it does.

No, the poor people vote reliably against the Republicans because they know that there are no exceptions for the poor.

It's the UMC and higher whites who believe that there are exceptions that will be made. They believe that the privileged (like themselves) will be granted the exceptions and they don't care when "those people" (the poor and minorities) are not granted exceptions because they believe that they deserve what the laws say.

There are many women who are having to travel out of state who say that they never thought the laws would apply to them or in their situations.