Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Show me the law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

Felony-level “wrong”?

Still waiting to hear if PP thinks this is felony-level “wrong”.

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe there are posters thinking that what happened to this woman is acceptable. She was refused the medical treatment she deserved. Twice.

People are asking why she didn’t call 911 when the she passed the fetus in the toilet. Maybe she couldn’t afford an ambulance and yet another (third) trip to the ER. Those are not free.

She clearly had no idea what to do, as she hadn’t been given any instructions for what to do when her baby leaves her body.

Black mothers and babies die at a higher rate in America than other ethnic groups. Why is that? This story is just one very real data point on why we have those disappointing outcomes for black mothers and babies.

ALL mothers and babies deserve humane, dignified medical treatment and care during pregnancy and childbirth, and even moreso in the unfortunate case of fetal unviability.

I am horrified by the lack of compassion that everyone on this woman’s journey showed her. America may be a so-called first world country but the way that women and children are being treated in this country right now are everything but. We’re being treated like second class citizens and worse. This is unacceptable.

YOUR VOTES MATTER. Who you vote into office at every level of govt matters. The laws you vote on matter. The political contributions you make matter. Make all of that count! Every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

When this happens to the next woman, or maybe even one of your family members, friends or neighbors, can they send you the ambulance and ER and medical bills? Can they call you for guidance and support after their hospital and doctors turn them away multiple times for treatment of the dead baby in their body? What will you tell them?

Let’s hope you nor your daughter, her best friend, your sister, your niece, your granddaughters, or your cousins never find themselves in this situation.

Your lack of compassion for a fellow woman and mother is disgusting. You should be ashamed.

[Anonymous]

I realize this might be a macabre question, but I would think that intent would have to be 100% certain before charging any crime involving corpse desecration. (There must be all sorts of accidents and problems transporting and burying the deceased, I hate to even think...) And even assuming that somehow intent to desecrate was somehow shown here, why is "flushing" a corpse any worse than e.g. burning a corpse or digging a hole in the back yard. Is there even any law yet at what point a miscarriage requires a "proper burial" or whatever else apparently is deemed necessary here. This whole case is absurd from top to bottom.

This was clearly some sort of punishment for the abortion that lawmakers think this (black) mother was attempting to receive and/or self-adminiarwe with respect to an already dead fetus. None of this otherwise makes any sense.

[Anonymous]

We don't know all the facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

Where are you getting this from? A non viable fetus does not equal a dead fetus. At this point we have no idea when it died. And we have no idea what the hospital did or didn’t do.
But don’t let that stop you.

[Anonymous]

The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

No it means it was decomposing in her body and not growing.

You have absolutely no idea when the fetus died. You can carry a non viable pregnancy to term. I think people are confusing non viable with dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

I had a miscarriage in the toilet while waiting at an ER. I was so distraught I would never have considered fishing it out--should I have carried my dead baby into the waiting room?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

Where are you getting this from? A non viable fetus does not equal a dead fetus. At this point we have no idea when it died. And we have no idea what the hospital did or didn’t do.
But don’t let that stop you.

We know she had a ruptured membrane and went to the hospital and they sent her home saying that she would deliver in 24 hours.

If they think she’s gonna deliver a baby, they should’ve kept her. If they think it’s a miscarriage they send you home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are posters thinking that what happened to this woman is acceptable. She was refused the medical treatment she deserved. Twice.

People are asking why she didn’t call 911 when the she passed the fetus in the toilet. Maybe she couldn’t afford an ambulance and yet another (third) trip to the ER. Those are not free.

She clearly had no idea what to do, as she hadn’t been given any instructions for what to do when her baby leaves her body.

Black mothers and babies die at a higher rate in America than other ethnic groups. Why is that? This story is just one very real data point on why we have those disappointing outcomes for black mothers and babies.

ALL mothers and babies deserve humane, dignified medical treatment and care during pregnancy and childbirth, and even moreso in the unfortunate case of fetal unviability.

I am horrified by the lack of compassion that everyone on this woman’s journey showed her. America may be a so-called first world country but the way that women and children are being treated in this country right now are everything but. We’re being treated like second class citizens and worse. This is unacceptable.

YOUR VOTES MATTER. Who you vote into office at every level of govt matters. The laws you vote on matter. The political contributions you make matter. Make all of that count! Every time.

This can't be said often enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

No it means it was decomposing in her body and not growing.

You have absolutely no idea when the fetus died. You can carry a non viable pregnancy to term. I think people are confusing non viable with dead.

You cannot carry a fetus with a ruptured membrane to term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

Where are you getting this from? A non viable fetus does not equal a dead fetus. At this point we have no idea when it died. And we have no idea what the hospital did or didn’t do.
But don’t let that stop you.

We know she had a ruptured membrane and went to the hospital and they sent her home saying that she would deliver in 24 hours.

If they think she’s gonna deliver a baby, they should’ve kept her. If they think it’s a miscarriage they send you home.

Where did you get this info from? I haven’t read anything like that yet.

[Anonymous]

Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.