Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

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The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

It’s not felony level wrong for crying out loud.

Spend the money from prosecuting and jailing her on education on this issue of what to do after a miscarriage or stillbirth outside a hospital setting and mandating that hospitals and doctors counsel pregnant women what to do in case of a miscarriage or stillbirth at home or work or in a public space. (I had one at a library once.)

There are likely thousands of cases of women flushing fetuses down the toilet whether intentionally or accidentally.

the vast majority miscarriages get flushed.

the scandal here is our absolutely horrible maternal healthcare. she should have been admitted to the hospital or under the close care of a doctor to make sure she didn’t get an infection and delivered safely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

It’s not felony level wrong for crying out loud.

Spend the money from prosecuting and jailing her on education on this issue of what to do after a miscarriage or stillbirth outside a hospital setting and mandating that hospitals and doctors counsel pregnant women what to do in case of a miscarriage or stillbirth at home or work or in a public space. (I had one at a library once.)

There are likely thousands of cases of women flushing fetuses down the toilet whether intentionally or accidentally.

the vast majority miscarriages get flushed.

the scandal here is our absolutely horrible maternal healthcare. she should have been admitted to the hospital or under the close care of a doctor to make sure she didn’t get an infection and delivered safely.

Hundred bucks says the hospital she went to is Catholic.

[Anonymous]

So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

+100000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is anyone defending this woman? She left her baby in the toilet bowl and went about her day. She had to cut the cord. She treated her baby like a literal piece of poop. SMH.

How do you know she had to cut the cord? If her placenta had come out at the same time that would not be the case. If the cord had rotted to the point of easily being released from the sac or fetus that would not be the case. In fact because she didn’t have to go to the emergency room it seems more likely her placenta came out at the same time. Otherwise there’s a huge risk of infection.

[Anonymous]

You already have doctors leaving red states, because laws have been passed that have an ice-cold effect on their ability to take care of their patients in medically appropriate ways, unimpeded.

You can't force doctors to stay. There is no indentured servitude in this country. And when they leave, there are still more women and pregnancies left without skilled assistance. (If they stay and do the right thing, they face penalties such as suspension or revocation of their licenses, or even jail time. That ALSO leaves women without medical care, and nobody else is stepping in.)

Vote. Protest in whatever way is right for you. Speak out against the legislation. Blame doctors if you must, but soon there won't be much of them left there to blame. Most of them don't want this, either.

[Anonymous]

PS: We can't stop talking about this.

Ohio GOP lawmakers vow to target state judiciary after passage of Issue 1 abortion measure

Washington — Republicans in the Ohio state legislature are threatening to strip state courts of their authority to review cases related to Issue 1, the ballot measure approved by voters on Tuesday that established a right to abortion in the state constitution.

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The Ohio Republicans said state lawmakers "will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative. The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-abortion-issue-1-republicans-judiciary/

So first it's turn it over to the states, Roe V Wade should never have been federal law. Let the voters in each state decide. And for the 7th out of 7 states that put it to ballot, Ohio voters decided to keep abortion legal.

Of course, that's now irrelevant, because the voters decided wrong. WTAF? Vote them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woman charged with felony for trying to clean up a 22-week stillbirth at home after being refused care at a hospital.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

Watched the video. A sad illustration of the horrendously sub-par medical care that blank mothers (and infants) receive in this county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

It’s not felony level wrong for crying out loud.

Spend the money from prosecuting and jailing her on education on this issue of what to do after a miscarriage or stillbirth outside a hospital setting and mandating that hospitals and doctors counsel pregnant women what to do in case of a miscarriage or stillbirth at home or work or in a public space. (I had one at a library once.)

There are likely thousands of cases of women flushing fetuses down the toilet whether intentionally or accidentally.

the vast majority miscarriages get flushed.

the scandal here is our absolutely horrible maternal healthcare. she should have been admitted to the hospital or under the close care of a doctor to make sure she didn’t get an infection and delivered safely.

Hundred bucks says the hospital she went to is Catholic.

Out of curiosity, I looked on google maps to see where Warren Ohio is. (60 miles east of Cleveland, population 39,000, 20 % poverty rate). The hospital in Warren is called "Mercy Health - St. Joseph Warren Hospital". So apparently you are right. It is a Catholic hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

It’s not felony level wrong for crying out loud.

Spend the money from prosecuting and jailing her on education on this issue of what to do after a miscarriage or stillbirth outside a hospital setting and mandating that hospitals and doctors counsel pregnant women what to do in case of a miscarriage or stillbirth at home or work or in a public space. (I had one at a library once.)

There are likely thousands of cases of women flushing fetuses down the toilet whether intentionally or accidentally.

the vast majority miscarriages get flushed.

the scandal here is our absolutely horrible maternal healthcare. she should have been admitted to the hospital or under the close care of a doctor to make sure she didn’t get an infection and delivered safely.

Hundred bucks says the hospital she went to is Catholic.

Out of curiosity, I looked on google maps to see where Warren Ohio is. (60 miles east of Cleveland, population 39,000, 20 % poverty rate). The hospital in Warren is called "Mercy Health - St. Joseph Warren Hospital". So apparently you are right. It is a Catholic hospital.

this makes the whole story make more sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman charged with felony for trying to clean up a 22-week stillbirth at home after being refused care at a hospital.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

Watched the video. A sad illustration of the horrendously sub-par medical care that blank mothers (and infants) receive in this county.

Edit: Black mothers (autocorrect!)

[Anonymous]

Let's not forget Ohio is where this horror story took place, where a woman was discharged from an ER in the middle of a hemorrhagic miscarriage:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio

A doctor from her Ob-Gyn's office called her to confirm that the pregnancy had ended in a miscarriage. They laid out her options: Take medication to make the pregnancy tissue come out faster, have a dilation and curettage or D&C procedure to remove the pregnancy tissue from her uterus, or wait for it to come out on its own.

The doctor suggested she wait, but didn't tell her how long that can take. After a few weeks with no change, she looked online and read that for some people it takes weeks before vaginal bleeding starts. "So I counted myself as one of those women – it was just taking longer for my body – and I tried to put it out of my mind," she says.

Soon after that, Zielke and her husband Greg Holeyman took the seven-hour drive from D.C. to northeast Ohio for a wedding party for her younger brother.

"On the drive to Ohio, I had some really heavy bleeding – to the point [that] we had to stop and clean out the car and change all the clothes," she says. She assumed her body had passed the pregnancy tissue and "that was really probably it."

But that wasn't it. The next night, at around 4 a.m., she started to bleed again – a lot.
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They arrived at University Hospitals TriPoint Medical Center in Painesville, Ohio, at around 6 a.m. Medical staff there did her bloodwork and an ultrasound – again, there was no heartbeat. ....

One nurse mentioned in passing that a D&C is sometimes needed to get heavy bleeding to stop, but Zielke says she wasn't offered one, nor was she given any other treatment, not even IV fluids or pain medication.

Then, "about two and a half hours into this slew of tests, a nurse comes in and tells me that I'm being discharged," Zielke says.

"They said they needed to prove there was no fetal development," she says. "I was told that I could come back in two days for a repeat hormone test to confirm I was miscarrying."

Zielke objected – she told them she already had that laboratory confirmation of the miscarriage weeks earlier in D.C. She tried to show them her medical records on her phone and offered her Ob-Gyn's contact information, but she says she didn't get a response.....

"It was, 'Well, we don't know if this [pregnancy] is viable, this could still be viable. This is the information you got in D.C., but we need to confirm it."

Zielke says she didn't want to leave the ER, but she didn't know how to protest. On discharge papers, where she had to sign, she says she wrote "I disagree."
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When she came home from the hospital, Christina Zielke was still bleeding, so she climbed back into the empty bathtub.

"Another hour of bleeding passes and I say, 'I don't think this is right,'" she says. "'I don't think we should have come home.'" Again, her husband helped her call an advice line, and a nurse told them right away that they needed to go back to the hospital.

By then, it was around 11 a.m. – she'd been bleeding profusely since 4 a.m. — for seven hours. ....

She'd lost so much blood, so quickly, her blood pressure had plummeted. Holeyman watched as her eyes rolled back. Her body went limp – she lost consciousness. He caught her neck so she didn't bang her head against the tub. "I thought she was a goner," he says.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Are you really arguing that it makes sense to flush a 22 week old fetus down the toilet? C’mon.

This wasn’t a miscarriage. It was a stillbirth.

I agree:
How big is my baby at 22 weeks?
Guess what? Now that you're 22 weeks pregnant, your baby, who’s about the size of a small doll, has finally broken the 1-pound mark.

How heavy is that? Hold a 1-pound bag of sugar in your arms the next time you're in the grocery store — and expect people to ask you why you're grinning from ear to ear.

Is the bag 11 inches long? That's about the length your baby is too!How big is my baby at 22 weeks?
Guess what? Now that you're 22 weeks pregnant, your baby, who’s about the size of a small doll, has finally broken the 1-pound mark.

How heavy is that? Hold a 1-pound bag of sugar in your arms the next time you're in the grocery store — and expect people to ask you why you're grinning from ear to ear.

Is the bag 11 inches long? That's about the length your baby is too!

Source: https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-22.aspx

Please STFU and go to another board to troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's not forget Ohio is where this horror story took place, where a woman was discharged from an ER in the middle of a hemorrhagic miscarriage:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

No it means it was decomposing in her body and not growing.