Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

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The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

[Anonymous]

Why can't the Jewish community organize something on a Sunday afternoon instead of the middle of a weekday? I'm so frustrated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've all seen the swastikas and the hate speech.We've seen law firms rescind offers to students signing anti-semitic screeds. Most people don't want to be associated with these protesters. So I imagine that those that do will be the worst of the worst. And of course most will be masked. Just like the KKK. Definitely would not attend if you have a career to think about

The vast majority of protests have been peaceful. I think there have only been a handful of incidents out of the hundred+ protests in the last few weeks? The ideal would be 0 incidents. The hate speech and swastikas have been a very small percentage of these people and I wouldn't want any person saying those things to show up. Of course showing up with swastikas is awful.

Yes, there will probably be chants of "from the river to the sea" and "free Palestine", but that is not hate speech, not in the US. You can pull up a bunch of articles written by people saying it is, and I can pull up articles written by people saying it's not. So it would be your perspective to say it's hate speech, but other people have a different perspective.

I mean, since you all think it's hate speech anyway and want to cancel them for saying free Palestine, why wouldn't they just say death chants or whatever if that's what they really meant? It's because it's not what the vast majority of people mean when they say it.

So let them exercise their first amendment rights. If we disagree with an action of our government, it is our right to protest peacefully. They are not terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. This is a call to our government to do what it can do to minimize the suffering of the innocent people of Gaza.

Almost everyone, Jews and Muslim, wants the violence to end. Hamas has broken the cease-fire every time.

Hamas does not equal all Palestinians. The protests are to protest using our tax dollars to kill Palestinians. I honestly don’t think this situation can end without much more death but how is it antisemitism to go to a protest?

Such a no-win situation. It's not anti-Semitic to want to save innocent Palestinians - mostly children - in Gaza. I think a lot of American Jews also support this. However, past protests of this sort have had a clear anti-Semitic stance, making it impossible to agree with the stated purpose of the demonstration without joining the rest of the stuff that seems to come with it. And then, not joining makes some people want to put you on the side of killing innocent Palestinians. The whole situation is frustrating and defies common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been reading the news coverage of the protest and no mention of antisemitism in the mainstream press (cnn, NYT, Washington post, NPR, The Hill). Just in the Daily Mail (link in PP above) Fox and the Guardian.

Was anyone on this thread actually at the event and would share what they saw?

I was there from 3-5:30. I saw people of all colors (including many self-identified Jewish people), families with young children, calling for an end to the wanton bombing and for Biden to stop supporting this with our tax dollars. It was extremely peaceful, and I never heard anyone speak against Jews or praise Hamas.

Did they also lament the thousands of casualties that occurred when Hamas invaded Israel? Did they observe that the quickest way to bring a ceasefire is to release the 240 hostages that were kidnapped? Were the protestors self-aware enough to know that Hamas is not an ally of progressives? Or did the protestors share Hamas' thoughts about women and gays?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been reading the news coverage of the protest and no mention of antisemitism in the mainstream press (cnn, NYT, Washington post, NPR, The Hill). Just in the Daily Mail (link in PP above) Fox and the Guardian.

Was anyone on this thread actually at the event and would share what they saw?

I was there from 3-5:30. I saw people of all colors (including many self-identified Jewish people), families with young children, calling for an end to the wanton bombing and for Biden to stop supporting this with our tax dollars. It was extremely peaceful, and I never heard anyone speak against Jews or praise Hamas.

Did they also lament the thousands of casualties that occurred when Hamas invaded Israel? Did they observe that the quickest way to bring a ceasefire is to release the 240 hostages that were kidnapped? Were the protestors self-aware enough to know that Hamas is not an ally of progressives? Or did the protestors share Hamas' thoughts about women and gays?

Progressives are communists. The most evil people on the planet.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

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The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

^ This is really frustrating to me as someone who grew up in DC and has attended many permitted protests, including back in the 80s to show support for Afghanistan. I have participated in generations of respectful protest in our city. It is not pearl clutching to expect those who come to our city because it is symbolic to also respect the symbolism of our institutions. Do we all get to make our own rules when it comes to protest in a safe, freedom of speech environment where our voices can be clearly heard? Do you really want to play that card?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

+1

The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh Ok, so expressing concern that Americans rally in support for terror organizations and eradicating Israel is “pearl clutching”. Got it.

[Anonymous]

No they didn’t bc they don’t have too. Do you guys mention that when you protest and say oh settlers shouldn’t steal Palestine homes in West Bank, and oh 50000+ innocent Palestinian children shouldn’t have to die. What Hamas did was disgusting but the purpose of this protest is a ceasefire to prevent more innocent lives being lost. There’s still people stuck in the north-innocent people that can’t get to the south for various reasons, health, transportation, fear. I don’t know how people can watch videos of the horror in Gaza in the moment and not want a ceasefire-ceasefire goes for both sides.

[Anonymous]

Considering the amount of people at that rally the behavior was tame. Of course there will always be a few bad seeds when you get a group that large but it was respectively and well organized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

What you people - who I will assume are operating in good faith - seem not to understand is that Israel is not the party that CAN enter into a ceasefire. Hamas is the party that can do that, by releasing the hostages, freeing up the hoarded fuel to be used to its people, and stepping down and allowing for a new election, among other things. Israel could play its part by pausing its part of the war and agreeing to not build new settlements in the West Bank. But Hamas doesn't want any of this of course - Hamas just wants to kill Jews, and to hurt its own people in order to exacerbate tensions.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

+1

The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh come on, Jeff. You are smarter than this.

There is footage of protestors in masks, carrying or having the flag of a foreign country (that harbors terrorists) nearby, at night, trying to scale the walls of the White House. Do you honestly think that footage isn’t going to play over and over and over as a counterweight to any J6 campaign ads Democrats put out? The protestors have given a very useful tool to Republican campaigns.

And of course J6 was much worse than the protests yesterday. But that doesn’t matter in the world of campaigning. What matters is that there is now plenty of harmful footage that lets Republicans say, see, yes J6 was bad but the Democrats also attacked the White House and they did it while carrying the flag of a foreign power that supports terrorism.

This next presidential election is going to be won or lost with moderate voters in swing states. That group was largely appalled by J6 and a steady stream of J6 footage would have made for effective campaign ads for Biden. But now that tool is a lot weaker, because there is a counterweight that looks very bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been reading the news coverage of the protest and no mention of antisemitism in the mainstream press (cnn, NYT, Washington post, NPR, The Hill). Just in the Daily Mail (link in PP above) Fox and the Guardian.

Was anyone on this thread actually at the event and would share what they saw?

It was a very large global event so no one can speak definitively about what happened everywhere.

In DC, it was mostly young people who are horrified by the slaughter in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. They are very upset and don’t understand “blind” support for Israel’s extensive bombing. They see helpless people who have been denied many rights for a long time, who are trapped and being starved and attacked with weapons the U.S. provided.

They should ask the billionaires in Hamas leadership where the aid money has been going, how about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

+1

The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh come on, Jeff. You are smarter than this.

There is footage of protestors in masks, carrying or having the flag of a foreign country (that harbors terrorists) nearby, at night, trying to scale the walls of the White House. Do you honestly think that footage isn’t going to play over and over and over as a counterweight to any J6 campaign ads Democrats put out? The protestors have given a very useful tool to Republican campaigns.

And of course J6 was much worse than the protests yesterday. But that doesn’t matter in the world of campaigning. What matters is that there is now plenty of harmful footage that lets Republicans say, see, yes J6 was bad but the Democrats also attacked the White House and they did it while carrying the flag of a foreign power that supports terrorism.

This next presidential election is going to be won or lost with moderate voters in swing states. That group was largely appalled by J6 and a steady stream of J6 footage would have made for effective campaign ads for Biden. But now that tool is a lot weaker, because there is a counterweight that looks very bad.

This is a shared city and these are shared institutions. No one has the right to come to town and trash things. No one.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

+1

The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh Ok, so expressing concern that Americans rally in support for terror organizations and eradicating Israel is “pearl clutching”. Got it.

That's not what they were doing. Therefore, expressing those concerns is actually called "lying".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Considering the amount of people at that rally the behavior was tame. Of course there will always be a few bad seeds when you get a group that large but it was respectively and well organized.

No. I have been to many protests of similar size where no one vandalized federal buildings and chanted in support of terror organizations.