Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

i.e. separation of church and state, a foundational value of Western democracy.

Why is that the people who do not follow Western values are always begging the West for money and telling the West how it is failing at its core values?

You can’t say begging. There’s undoubtedly a connection to some ancient anti-Semitic slur there.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

I know that you didn’t buy your property from the indigenous native Americans. And that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Did they acquire their property in the U.S. via the MLS, or through the Zionist method of “Leave or die” ultimatum? If the latter, hell yes, they are a hypocrite.

You know so there are a lot of people living in Israel who had nothing to do with the past right?? But you want them to just give their country back?

So the criteria is, if they bought their land in Israel, and they weren’t just given it by the government who took it straight from someone else’s hands? Ok well almost every home in Israel was bought and paid for by its current occupiers. If you’re talking about the settlers in the West Bank who have thrown people out of their homes, i and most Israelis agree with you that this is awful and should stop. But if you think that most people living in their homes in Tel Aviv and Haifa etc went and stole them from Palestinians then i suggest further research on your part.

I’m not even arguing for right of return to prior land. I’m not saying that, by way of fictional example, Marc Segal from Boca Raton who now lives in the condo he bought in Haifa has to relinquish his property because it was originally part of an area burned down by the Irgun to send a message to indigenous families that they had better leave or else. With very few exceptions, the path forward cannot involve displacing one group to make whole another displaced group.

I’m arguing for finding a peaceful way (and funding it) to provide indigenous people with the same opportunity of having a home in their homeland.

Well no one one needs to agree with your idea of who is indigenous and the U.S. certainly does not need to pay for it. Your idea you find a way to pay for it.

We’re already paying more to prop up his charade of regional hegemony.

It would be a long-term savings coup.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Gaza have its own water desalinization plant? Can they produce their own electricity?

They must be able to, because there was footage on X where there are electric lights in the building in the background. And streetlights too. And hospital footage doesn't look like there is candlelight, does it? I don't believe that after so many days with no utilities at all (no water, electricity, heat) there would be anyone left, not to mention still functioning hospitals, refrigerators, food stores, etc. In 3 weeks of none of this Gaza would literally starve.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

I know that you didn’t buy your property from the indigenous native Americans. And that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

DP.

Agree.

No one is putting the genie back in the bottle. It’s preposterous.

We don't have to. For "culture revolution" we just need to redefine things. Let me make a little prediction that soon term "antisemitism" will no longer refer to Jews only but also will include All the speakers of Semitic languages and would be used as an umbrella term for "Jew hate and Islamophobia". Tell me you don't see this coming. With all the honestly, there are both: hatred of Jews AND Islamophobia. And whatever is happening now is exacerbating both.

I don’t understand your point. I certainly don’t agree that most of the people who are Islamophobes are the same people as the anti-semites. The forces which are amplifying anti-Semitism are not those which are amplifying Islamophobia.

I didn't say they are the same people. But it's not impossible for someone to be both. There are tendencies among whatever groups that had been harboring anti-Jew or anti-Muslim sentiments to jump on board, current happenings make it easy to speak up now, because this conflict provides ample reasons for "righteous anger" no matter what side you take.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

It isn't a demand, this already exists. No need and not good for it to go away. American supports it. Too bad you don't like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

How did Jews happen to appear in Europe or Brooklyn? Are you saying that one day a handful of Europeans had seen a dream that they should convert to Judaism and ordered their religious texts on Amazon from the land of Judea? The idea that settlers in Israel have zero genetic ties to the region if we are talking about 100s of years of history is preposterous. Just like the idea that Palestinians are "natives" to the land given that this region was everyone's and their mother's part of whatever empire for thousands of years and experienced its own waves of immigrations from every which way. Please, there is literally zero justification for ANYONE to claim this land as their own these days, especially given how intermixed human population has become and how every parcel of land that's been in the crossroads of various nations and along the trade routes is a melting pot.

There are genetic factors, many observable, that make clear which side of this tussle is suiting up hometown players.

And though I generally don’t disagree with your Hail Mary argument that, technically, we all have connection to that area, I also understand that facing facts isn’t easy when you support the side that has always played fast and loose with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

It isn't a demand, this already exists. No need and not good for it to go away. American supports it. Too bad you don't like it.

The free ride you’ve enjoyed on the backs of American aid will eventually trickle to nothing. And then you’ll regret not looking ahead and finding a way to co-exist with your neighbors.

It’s easy to cross your arms and relish the status quo when it do overwhelmingly favors you. Step outside your echo chamber and consider another perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

It isn't a demand, this already exists. No need and not good for it to go away. American supports it. Too bad you don't like it.

The free ride you’ve enjoyed on the backs of American aid will eventually trickle to nothing. And then you’ll regret not looking ahead and finding a way to co-exist with your neighbors.

It’s easy to cross your arms and relish the status quo when it do overwhelmingly favors you. Step outside your echo chamber and consider another perspective.

Well of course it is, it is a good, valid, moral status quo. Happy with it.
I think you think I am Jewish but I am not b y the way.
Consider another perspective, that is do what you want? For what?

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

It isn't a demand, this already exists. No need and not good for it to go away. American supports it. Too bad you don't like it.

The free ride you’ve enjoyed on the backs of American aid will eventually trickle to nothing. And then you’ll regret not looking ahead and finding a way to co-exist with your neighbors.

It’s easy to cross your arms and relish the status quo when it do overwhelmingly favors you. Step outside your echo chamber and consider another perspective.

Well of course it is, it is a good, valid, moral status quo. Happy with it.
I think you think I am Jewish but I am not b y the way.
Consider another perspective, that is do what you want? For what?

All I know is that you don’t utilize the English language as a native tongue.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

Look at it this way. This region as are many others in the crossroad of "empires" had been conquered, oppressed and colonized for millennia. Currently Israel "owns" it and if it has military power to maintain it then it survives. Also, if it can get powerful allies to support it for whatever reason it has higher chance of survival. Same goes for Palestinian state, if they want it for themselves and clear it out of Jews and make it Islamic state only, they can as long as they master sufficient military power and/or recruit powerful allies who would fight alongside or provide help in other ways. It's a war. There might be a winner you may not like.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

It isn't a demand, this already exists. No need and not good for it to go away. American supports it. Too bad you don't like it.

The free ride you’ve enjoyed on the backs of American aid will eventually trickle to nothing. And then you’ll regret not looking ahead and finding a way to co-exist with your neighbors.

It’s easy to cross your arms and relish the status quo when it do overwhelmingly favors you. Step outside your echo chamber and consider another perspective.

Well of course it is, it is a good, valid, moral status quo. Happy with it.
I think you think I am Jewish but I am not b y the way.
Consider another perspective, that is do what you want? For what?

All I know is that you don’t utilize the English language as a native tongue.

As for what I want, I want what all civilized people want - an end to this tireless squabble over an effing desert. I also wouldn’t mind if it’s inhabitants would grow TF up and stop relying on others to finance their misanthropy.

[Anonymous]

In coordination with Tens several 100,000's of demonstrators world wide demanding a " Cease Fire " and an end to the destruction of the Palestinian people, the Aurora Borealis lights up the Night sky from the very Northern Tip of Scotland, all of Ireland, clear down to Southern England....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/05/northern-lights-dazzle-in-brief-appearance-over-stonehenge

Suella Braverman petitions high court in response due to " anti- semitism " as Northern Lights seem to be suggesting that "Palestine be Free" from one coast of GB to the other

Meanwhile, in Israel, an actual Likud Cabinet member, Amichai Eliyahu, was " temporaly suspended from cabinet meetings ( but not fired) after saying on Israeli radio that " there are no non- comatatants in Gaza and , as such, use of Nuclear weapons is a legitimate option"
[/url]https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-minister-amichai-eliyahu-suspend-benjamin-netanyahu-nuclear-bomb-gaza-hamas-war/[url]

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

Look at it this way. This region as are many others in the crossroad of "empires" had been conquered, oppressed and colonized for millennia. Currently Israel "owns" it and if it has military power to maintain it then it survives. Also, if it can get powerful allies to support it for whatever reason it has higher chance of survival. Same goes for Palestinian state, if they want it for themselves and clear it out of Jews and make it Islamic state only, they can as long as they master sufficient military power and/or recruit powerful allies who would fight alongside or provide help in other ways. It's a war. There might be a winner you may not like.

It’s 2023. Treating others like animals because you happen to be holding the gun at the moment us precisely why 10/7 happened, and will continue happening until people wake up and stop supporting this abject lunacy of a battle over sand.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

The world doesn’t owe you a nation state defined by your culture or your religion. Grow TF up.

What you should be owed, like everyone, is the right to live in peaceful co-existence with others. That’s it. You’re not owed anything beyond that, so save it.

The path forward need not capitulate to your demand of being a majority in your homeland.

Look at it this way. This region as are many others in the crossroad of "empires" had been conquered, oppressed and colonized for millennia. Currently Israel "owns" it and if it has military power to maintain it then it survives. Also, if it can get powerful allies to support it for whatever reason it has higher chance of survival. Same goes for Palestinian state, if they want it for themselves and clear it out of Jews and make it Islamic state only, they can as long as they master sufficient military power and/or recruit powerful allies who would fight alongside or provide help in other ways. It's a war. There might be a winner you may not like.

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This post sums up reality.