Disclosing atheism

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understanding of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

Sure, yes, and I'm against proselytizing. As an adult, though, I've got the perspective and the self-assurance to be comfortable telling those people to get lost or to please keep their religion to themselves (depending on my own level of sass in that moment). When I say that it's not about me, I mean I recognize that it's not personal. This person needing to "save" me is their own problem, not some deficiency of mine. But as a kid when it's coming from your peers or from adults, it does feel personal and/or alienating.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understanding of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

Sure, yes, and I'm against proselytizing. As an adult, though, I've got the perspective and the self-assurance to be comfortable telling those people to get lost or to please keep their religion to themselves (depending on my own level of sass in that moment). When I say that it's not about me, I mean I recognize that it's not personal. This person needing to "save" me is their own problem, not some deficiency of mine. But as a kid when it's coming from your peers or from adults, it does feel personal and/or alienating.

Got it. Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

AMEN!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

^ and certainly don’t take away their rights because of you religion!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

DP. Oh my gosh, you’re really trying to claim this and you expect us to believe it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

Not often.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen atheists insult believers by comparing their God to supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

Fixed it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen atheists insult believers by comparing their God to supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

Fixed it for you.

If religious people are allowed to express their beliefs then why can't atheists?

Or maybe people just should keep their thoughts to themselves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

I can see how believers would be insulted. They do not think of their god as just another, invisible, unproven, supernatural being. Non-believers see it, but believers don't. To them,"God" is special and unique. Unless that changes, atheists should be advised not to compare God to any other being, visible or invisible. Just leave it alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

I can see how believers would be insulted. They do not think of their god as just another, invisible, unproven, supernatural being. Non-believers see it, but believers don't. To them,"God" is special and unique. Unless that changes, atheists should be advised not to compare God to any other being, visible or invisible. Just leave it alone.

There are plenty of believers who are willing to admit that there isn't proof of God. It's a belief, not a fact. There are believers who treat their belief as fact, too, of course. But to compare a child's belief in Santa, who is definitively and provably not real with a God who can't be proven or disproven to exist, is just not the same thing and it's insulting to pretend that it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster but was also raised as an atheist. My family relocated from a larger city to a small town in the Midwest when I was 10. Basically everyone went to church. Kids went to youth group, sometimes multiple times a week. There were camps and slumber parties at churches and holiday things. I didn't participate in any of those things because my parents were not religious.

I experienced a lot of intrusive personal questions from adults (parents of friends, coworkers of my dad's, teachers) about my family's religion. Lots of attempts by parents, other kids, and several teachers to convert me to Christianity. Repeatedly being invited to church and then told that I didn't need to tell my parents about it. Friends who would say, "You should sleep over on Saturday and then we can go to church in the morning" without asking if that was something I was interested in or comfortable with.

From my side, as a weird kid who had always been interested in religion in general, I would probably have really enjoyed going to a lot of that stuff, particularly the social stuff that it felt like EVERYONE ELSE was doing. But there was no way in that town to just go to one lock-in - I tried that and spent weeks trying to get the girl I attended the lock-in with to stop proselytizing to me. There was a ton of social pressure to conform and people who didn't definitely heard about it.

As an adult, I can see the proselytizing as part of the mission of Christianity. I also don't and didn't think these people were bad people, nor do I think that most of them intended to be exclusionary and apply pressure in ways that felt bad. I understand that the intention was to be welcoming and enthusiastic. But the way I experienced those things, as a child, was not positive. It did not feel supportive and welcoming. It felt like in order to have community support, I had to become a Christian. I just did not believe, and I did not feel like it was okay to pretend that I believed when I did not.

I do not identify as an atheist at this time in my life, but I also do not believe in a god in the way that Christians do. I don't talk about this often because it makes Christians very uncomfortable to even call their god "their god" or "a god."

Yes, we have heard the story of how you were tricked into attending youth group at a church and they had a band to lure the kids in. Just awful. And don’t get you started on the free doughnuts and coffee churches use to lure in unwary families…it’s extremely deceptive. One minute you are eating a doughnut- the next, you are being baptized against your will and your kids are singing “Jesus Loves the Little Children” in a Sunday School classroom and being forced to collect pennies for hungry children in Africa. When will it end?

I'm the one who shared my experience (on a different thread many months ago) about my friend's weird evangelical rock band service. I'm not PP here who shared their story above. I wasn't even raised atheist. I belonged to a Christian church, but I guess I just wasn't devout enough for my evangelical friend, who felt the need to try to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.

As PP outlined beautifully, the proselytizing, even when it is meant with love and caring and welcome, can be alienating, especially for children who do not fully understand the ins and outs of the evangelical mission. It can feel like you are being attacked for your different beliefs (or lack thereof).

Understanding the mission doesn’t excuse the behavior.

Agreed. But at least an understand of it can lessen the sting. Knowing it's not really about you.

It is about you. It's just not only about you. It's supposedly saving people like you, who are sinners in their eyes in need of being saved.

It's rude and inappropriate. People should keep their religion to themselves and stop trying to force it on everyone else. That also goes for SCOTUS justices.

Does that go for non-religious people too? There are people here who complain about atheists posting on a religion forum.

If you don’t want atheists telling you that you’re a moron for believing in the supernatural then don’t tell them they are going to hell for not “accepting Jesus”.

Sound like a reasonable trade. I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen believers get insulted when their God is compared to other supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

I haven't heard an atheist here literally call someone a moron for believing in the supernatural, have you?

But I have seen atheists insult believers by comparing their God to supernatural beings that they haven't believed in since they were kids.

Fixed it for you.

If religious people are allowed to express their beliefs then why can't atheists?

Or maybe people just should keep their thoughts to themselves?

There's a difference between expressing your beliefs and insulting people. Ignoring that difference is how we get a Trump train full of people who think they can say racist stuff in the name of sticking it to "political correctness," rather than just being decent human beings to each other.