VT this Friday?

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No one is blaming this on URM students. They are current with the news. Pushing the student body to over 40% URM and first-generation was something pledged by the current head of VT, Tim Sands in 2017 and is still very much an issue there today. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Read also the Chronicle of Higher Education. There are only so many VT engineering seats so if Sands wants to engage in social engineering like this then someone is not going to get in. Hence, yield protection and caucasian and Asian students, especially TJ students, who used to get in (all else equal) are not getting in. This is very much a news issue being discussed in Higher Education. Some feel that the Commonwealth's only polytechnic school should not be engaging in this kind of social engineering, especially since the privates are doing it. Shouldn't VT be serving the students of the state? Also, as mentioned above, URM and first-generation IS a proxy for getting around test scores and GPA and accessing more Pell grant students, which, indeed, does push VT up the USNWR ranking. Query also whether the only public polytech institution in the Commonwealth should be trying to push its way up USNWR. Some commentators think this is OK, some do not. The parents of high-stats kids who used to be able to get into VT engineering, computer science and math programs(especially the TJ parents) disagree. It's that simple

How many times are you going to post this?

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This poster is obsessed. She posts exactly the same thing, verbatim, in every thread about VT. And yet, VT is 60% white/Asian - and other schools do exactly the same thing, they just don't publicize it. Some really sour grapes there.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

This kid doesn’t want to go to VT . Kids / parents just want to feel proud oh my Larla got into 10/10 schools. VT has figured this out.

Precisely this. Why does no one complain when W&M does exactly the same thing? If you don't apply ED, you have a much lower chance of getting in. Why? Because they know you're not their first choice. Makes sense to me.

W&M does not do the same thing.

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Why is it that every thread about W&M includes the advice to show as much interest as possible and ALWAYS apply ED for best chance of admission? Because they “want the kids that want them.” Well, the same applies for VT and ED. Not sure why the acceptance of W&M’s policies but not VT’s.

The difference is that W&M is actually a selective school and does not need to withhold RD acceptances for yield protection like VT or others

A 44% in-state acceptance rate isn't a selective school? Who knew!

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

Not when their overall was 70+

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Yield protection" is the new catchphrase for upset and entitled parents.

Yep

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

[Anonymous]

Admitted
Asian Female
OOS
3.9UW 4.5W
TO
Visited the school for a session in her potential major in the College of Agriculture. Loved it.
$3K merit
Won't attend as cost is higher than our in-state option and two OOS options which gave much more merit.
Shame because it was her favorite school. Former VA residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

This kid doesn’t want to go to VT . Kids / parents just want to feel proud oh my Larla got into 10/10 schools. VT has figured this out.

Precisely this. Why does no one complain when W&M does exactly the same thing? If you don't apply ED, you have a much lower chance of getting in. Why? Because they know you're not their first choice. Makes sense to me.

W&M does not do the same thing.

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Why is it that every thread about W&M includes the advice to show as much interest as possible and ALWAYS apply ED for best chance of admission? Because they “want the kids that want them.” Well, the same applies for VT and ED. Not sure why the acceptance of W&M’s policies but not VT’s.

The difference is that W&M is actually a selective school and does not need to withhold RD acceptances for yield protection like VT or others

A 44% in-state acceptance rate isn't a selective school? Who knew!

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

Not when their overall was 70+

What are you talking about? Their above SCHEV states that the in-state acceptance rate for 2021-22 was 44%. USNWR states that its overall rate was 56%. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/applying

Those sour grapes sure are a terrible look.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

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And my (white) son had almost identical stats and got in EA last year. So much misinformation from a handful of disgruntled parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted
Asian Female
OOS
3.9UW 4.5W
TO
Visited the school for a session in her potential major in the College of Agriculture. Loved it.
$3K merit
Won't attend as cost is higher than our in-state option and two OOS options which gave much more merit.
Shame because it was her favorite school. Former VA residents.

And for those who were asking another poster why they applied if the cost is too high, we did because our in-state option was not a sure thing. So many kids apply to our in-state school from our high school that we were questioning whether she'd be accepted. We also had no idea if she'd get merit from the other two OOS schools she applied to. We COULD pay VT rates if we had to (had she not been accepted or not gotten merit elsewhere) but it isn't our preference.

For us, in-state option is $24K, two OOS schools are $36K (includes merit). VT is $48K (includes $3K merit). She is most likely going to one of the OOS schools for $36K.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this situation about URM & First Gen students? I question when VT became a 1st choice for most of the people whining on this thread. Did they ED or did it become their 1st choice after getting other rejections and deferrals or acceptances with high price tags? Also, what major did they apply for because the high demand programs really matter at VT. But blaming this on URM students is just lazy. [/quote

No one is blaming this on URM students. They are current with the news. Pushing the student body to over 40% URM and first-generation was something pledged by the current head of VT, Tim Sands in 2017 and is still very much an issue there today. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Read also the Chronicle of Higher Education. There are only so many VT engineering seats so if Sands wants to engage in social engineering like this then someone is not going to get in. Hence, yield protection and caucasian and Asian students, especially TJ students, who used to get in (all else equal) are not getting in. This is very much a news issue being discussed in Higher Education. Some feel that the Commonwealth's only polytechnic school should not be engaging in this kind of social engineering, especially since the privates are doing it. Shouldn't VT be serving the students of the state? Also, as mentioned above, URM and first-generation IS a proxy for getting around test scores and GPA and accessing more Pell grant students, which, indeed, does push VT up the USNWR ranking. Query also whether the only public polytech institution in the Commonwealth should be trying to push its way up USNWR. Some commentators think this is OK, some do not. The parents of high-stats kids who used to be able to get into VT engineering, computer science and math programs(especially the TJ parents) disagree. It's that simple

Most use URM as a euphemism for "Black." Black first year enrollment was 8.7 percent: compared to VA state population of
~28% or so. Keep this in context. Also, VT includes veterans in its 40%goal - a lot of whites in that category.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this situation about URM & First Gen students? I question when VT became a 1st choice for most of the people whining on this thread. Did they ED or did it become their 1st choice after getting other rejections and deferrals or acceptances with high price tags? Also, what major did they apply for because the high demand programs really matter at VT. But blaming this on URM students is just lazy. [/quote

No one is blaming this on URM students. They are current with the news. Pushing the student body to over 40% URM and first-generation was something pledged by the current head of VT, Tim Sands in 2017 and is still very much an issue there today. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Read also the Chronicle of Higher Education. There are only so many VT engineering seats so if Sands wants to engage in social engineering like this then someone is not going to get in. Hence, yield protection and caucasian and Asian students, especially TJ students, who used to get in (all else equal) are not getting in. This is very much a news issue being discussed in Higher Education. Some feel that the Commonwealth's only polytechnic school should not be engaging in this kind of social engineering, especially since the privates are doing it. Shouldn't VT be serving the students of the state? Also, as mentioned above, URM and first-generation IS a proxy for getting around test scores and GPA and accessing more Pell grant students, which, indeed, does push VT up the USNWR ranking. Query also whether the only public polytech institution in the Commonwealth should be trying to push its way up USNWR. Some commentators think this is OK, some do not. The parents of high-stats kids who used to be able to get into VT engineering, computer science and math programs(especially the TJ parents) disagree. It's that simple

Most use URM as a euphemism for "Black." Black first year enrollment was 8.7 percent: compared to VA state population of
~20% or so. Keep this in context. Also, VT includes veterans in its 40%goal - a lot of whites in that category.

Correction: ~20% VA black population

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

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And my (white) son had almost identical stats and got in EA last year. So much misinformation from a handful of disgruntled parents.

I'm curious - were there any very high stats kids who were waitlisted who were NOT applying for engineering/CS?

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

Interesting that you don't complain about UVA or W&M doing exactly the same thing - but refusing to acknowledge it. I'd much rather have a school that is transparent and honest than one that hides their admission goals. Any school that uses ED uses it to determine who is serious about the school vs who is not. Can't say I blame them.

Regarding OOS/in-state - where on earth are you getting this? How would you possibly know the stats of those accepted vs. rejected?

W&M and UVA’s Presidents didn’t announce an all-out charge to make the campuses 40% URM and first generation

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Yield protection" is the new catchphrase for upset and entitled parents.

Yep

Not, it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted
Asian Female
OOS
3.9UW 4.5W
TO
Visited the school for a session in her potential major in the College of Agriculture. Loved it.
$3K merit
Won't attend as cost is higher than our in-state option and two OOS options which gave much more merit.
Shame because it was her favorite school. Former VA residents.

Which oos gave more merit?