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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

They don't need USNWR to validate them.

This has nothing to do with usnwr, it has to do with the quality of the student body. Although Georgetown’s drop in the rankings reflect the same. Georgetown hasn’t been a popular choice for top students in a while.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

No one would choose Notre Dame over an Ivy with the exception of someone who values a Catholic education.

I'm not a ND grad and have to think some people would absolutely choose ND over an Ivy, especially beyond HYP. It is one of those schools that many people really do grow up dreaming about attending from a young age. ND also has more $$ than half of the Ivy League (only Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Penn have larger endowments), which doesn't hurt and will continue to help in the future.


Those of you who live in high-end areas must see kids wearing ND stuff! Having moved to the MD suburbs after being in Palo Alto and Mountain View, CA for most of the last decade, I've seen a lot of ND gear on both coasts.


Will the 0-2 football start hurt applications ?

I never see any. I must not be in a "high-end" enough area.

the Chevy Chase neighborhoods surrounding Blessed Sacrament / CCC have some car stickers.

I was shocked to see an ND badge on the car of our newest neighbor in CCDC because we're outside the orbit (tentacles?) of Blessed Sacrament. I worry we're getting more Repube in 20015, I've definitely noticed an uptick as the area has grown so much more expensive compared to its ACLU / journalist / Jewish / non-profit days.

Are you serious? You think a ND sticker on a car means they are republican? You don't get out much.

+1 PP maybe hyper-focused on one notorious conservative who went there, but hundreds of thousands of liberals went there too. (P.S. half of U.S. Catholics are Democrats).

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

Why not? They fill their seats every year. They seem to be happy with how things are going.

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Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.

If you only knew.

It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.

Princeton? MIT? Harvard? Stanford? Yale? Seems like a pretty solid list for starters.

OK, but what do you actually know about the education at these schools compared to others? Or are you expecting to see them there because of the reputation they have for being there?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

They don't need USNWR to validate them.

A former Georgetown dean asserted, as to why they won't join the rat race and move to the common app to boost ratings: “we don’t succumb to the false gods.”

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

And the admission rate is not considered in the USNWR rankings, so there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

It's in many books and publications--read the history of how Northeastern marketed itself to drive up it's rating. People only wanted Northwestern prior. Read about the universities cited for lying to bolster the ratings in USNWR. Read how the ratings are actually tabulated.

The Common Application and test optional greatly increase the number of student applicants in order to turn more away and increase selectivity. Now, you could argue that a school with smaller classes and a higher quality undergraduate population is a better university, but you could also argue that the difference between 19 students and 21 students in a class is negligible. You could argue that the difference between a class with an average SAT score of a 2100 instead of a 2050 is also negligible. And yet, it’s these small difference that make all the difference in rankings.

Northeastern marketed itself to drive up it's rating by honestly and openly improving in the areas of rating criterions rather than cheating like other schools, Columbia, Berkeley, Emory, etc.

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Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

And the admission rate is not considered in the USNWR rankings, so there's that.

Lowest acceptance rates is used. More applicants, more denied= lower admits.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

They don't need USNWR to validate them.

A former Georgetown dean asserted, as to why they won't join the rat race and move to the common app to boost ratings: “we don’t succumb to the false gods.”

No. The real reason Georgetown doesn’t join the Common App is because they don’t want to encourage those with financial need. Relative to other well-ranked schools, Georgetown’s endowment is dinky, which impacts their ability to provide needs-blind admission. If they admit few with need, they can still tout their aid. Georgetown is not on any “best value” list.

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What’s the obsession with Georgetown’s ranking? Do posters really think it’s where it is because it doesn’t accept the Common App? That’s naive and simplistic.

Georgetown is where it is because its financial resources are paltry compared to the other top schools. Absolutely paltry. Notre Dame has nearly 10 times’ Georgetown’s endowment and is in one of the least expensive locations in the US.

Georgetown also has entering classes that, while very strong, don’t compare to the top Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, Duke etc. Do you really think that Harvard would drop below Georgetown if it stopped accepting the Common App.

MIT is self-selecting in that it doesn’t attract as many non-STEM applicants. Notre Dame is self-selecting in that it attracts fewer non-Catholics. Etc.

If Georgetown thought that simply by welcoming the common application it would suddenly shoot to the highest echelon of the rankings it would do it tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

And the admission rate is not considered in the USNWR rankings, so there's that.

Lowest acceptance rates is used. More applicants, more denied= lower admits.

No it is not. There is a ranking for "lowest acceptance rate" but they do NOT use it as part of the methodology to rank universities. Here is the ranking for acceptance. rate. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

And the admission rate is not considered in the USNWR rankings, so there's that.

Lowest acceptance rates is used. More applicants, more denied= lower admits.

No...acceptance rates no even considered in the ranking. These are the factors considered:

Graduation and retention rates
Social Mobility
Graduation Rate Performance
Undergraduate Academic Reputation
Faculty Resources
Student Selectivity (SAT scores, etc.)
Financial Resources per Student
Average alumni giving rate
Graduate indebtedness

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Anonymous wrote:Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

It's always 1985 on DCUM.

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Acceptance rate was used before in USNWR ranking, and this was the root for things like ED. Though it is not used anymore in that ranking, it still has residual effect. When a school played this game and was able to raise and stay in the ranking for some years, it would affect evaluators' mind on its academic reputation, simply because it is ranked high.