Official US news 2023 thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[
For almost all subjects, Oxbridge is a comparatively very easy admit compared to at least a dozen American schools — maybe two dozen. There’s no way around that: a typical high stats Brit (top 20% A-Levels) has a 20-40% chance of an Oxford or Cambridge admit. (Interviews are really not so grueling in many subjects, where 1/2 the kids get interviewed and at least 1/2 of those interviewed are admitted. This info is freely available on their websites.)

In contrast, American high-stats kids have nowhere near the same chance of getting into a top American school, even if all are applied for (yes, I am taking into account that you can apply to only one Oxbridge school for undergrad — grad admissions at Oxbridge are even easier). Stated differently, if a non-hooked, high stats American with clearly-defined academic interests was admitted to Emory, he or she could probably have gotten into Oxbridge.

Emory is no slouch, so congrats are in order. But that does not mean that people who went to Harvard should pretend their kid at Oxford is attending an equivalent school.

This is an exaggeration. The balanced take is that Oxford’s selectivity is about the same as that of Columbia, Cornell, or Northwestern — selective, but not equivalent to the very top tier schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford.



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This is just incorrect for an American applying to Oxbridge. I did it. My child did it. The application process is much different - you must propose a thesis topic in an area where you have demonstrated expertise because you are "reading" that topic and writing a thesis. It's much more like applying for a Masters or Doctorate here. You don't do general studies there - you read your subject matter and meet with others in the field to discuss and work on your thesis. You also need 3 to 5 APs with all 5s, top GPA, top test scores (theirs) and the interview is grueling. There are books just for prep for the Oxford interview. I've read several of them. I realize this is Quora, but it gives a better perspective of how few Americans actually make it through the process. You really need to know what you are doing in the application process. If serious, I would hire a counselor who knows how to best position the candidate in the written application and also prep for the interview (do it in person). Good luck. https://www.quora.com/Is-it-really-hard-for-Americans-to-get-into-Oxford-What-does-it-take

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If Princeton is #1, these rankings have no credibility.

Trash.

Why would you say this?

Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country, and that that will never change no matter what stupid nonsense USNWR prints. Who really cares that it's #1 this year?

Saying Princeton at #1 is trash seems like a deliberate provocation (troll, if you will), but asserting that "Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country" is no closer to the truth.

Nice try. Princeton is one of the 5 top schools in the country. And yes, certain boosters here now seem pretty desperate to discredit USNWR now that their school’s previously inflated ranking has fallen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If Princeton is #1, these rankings have no credibility.

Trash.

Why would you say this?

Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country, and that that will never change no matter what stupid nonsense USNWR prints. Who really cares that it's #1 this year?

Saying Princeton at #1 is trash seems like a deliberate provocation (troll, if you will), but asserting that "Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country" is no closer to the truth.

Nice try. Princeton is one of the 5 top schools in the country. And yes, certain boosters here now seem pretty desperate to discredit USNWR now that their school’s previously inflated ranking has fallen.

Says you. You are not everyone.

[Anonymous]

The top 5 ranked universities are almost always in line with the top 5 university endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, & MIT).

The largest endowments tend to facilitate top resources for students & faculty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top 5 ranked universities are almost always in line with the top 5 university endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, & MIT).

The largest endowments tend to facilitate top resources for students & faculty.

And yet, if you look at the Quality of Life scores in Princeton Review, students at those schools are no happier than those at colleges used as those schools' safeties. It's like trying to differentiate between a list of fine wines with a rating of 97 and a list with ratings of 95. It all depends on personal taste, and trying to declare an absolute best is pointless bordering on absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If Princeton is #1, these rankings have no credibility.

Trash.

Why would you say this?

Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country, and that that will never change no matter what stupid nonsense USNWR prints. Who really cares that it's #1 this year?

Saying Princeton at #1 is trash seems like a deliberate provocation (troll, if you will), but asserting that "Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country" is no closer to the truth.

But it is, and you know it is. Just stop, go back to posting on your WUSTL subreddit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If Princeton is #1, these rankings have no credibility.

Trash.

Why would you say this?

Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country, and that that will never change no matter what stupid nonsense USNWR prints. Who really cares that it's #1 this year?

Saying Princeton at #1 is trash seems like a deliberate provocation (troll, if you will), but asserting that "Everyone knows that it's one of the top 5 best schools in the country" is no closer to the truth.

But it is, and you know it is. Just stop, go back to posting on your WUSTL subreddit.

How do your children feel about your "Because I said so" approach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top 5 ranked universities are almost always in line with the top 5 university endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, & MIT).

The largest endowments tend to facilitate top resources for students & faculty.

But it’s a factor with greatly diminishing relevance beyond the point of financial stability. From the students’ perspective, the differences in endowments at Harvard or Princeton or Rice or Northwestern etc. It makes no difference to a student if Harvard’s endowment is $53B or $73B or $23B. At these levels the resource hoarding is just obscene.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If Princeton is #1, these rankings have no credibility.

Trash.

That's your biggest gripe with it? Princeton is extremely deserving of #1. Obviously the exact order is not meant to be literal, it's just a general idea of how good schools are. Schools like UChicago and Johns Hopkins are too high on US News, Duke and Columbia are too low, and Georgia Tech got massively disrespected. There's plenty of issues if you choose to take US News as an exact pecking order, which you shouldn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate CS (pay wall)

11. Texas
12. Columbia
12. Harvard
12. UCLA
12. Michigan
16. Hopkins
16. Purdue
16. UCSD
16. UMD
16. Penn
16. Wisconsin
16. Yale
23. Brown
24. Duke
24. UC Irvine
24. Chicago
24. UNC
24. USC
29. Mudd
29. NW
29. Rice
29. UCD
29. UCSB
29. UMASS
29. UVA
29. Tech

Honestly, I wouldn't bother looking too closely at the few sets of undergrad departmental rankings.

You'd be very stupid not to, especially for engineering and CS.

UDub at #55 is a much better CS department and would provide better opportunities than Vanderbilt, Rice, Georgetown, etc. To ignore that is idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate CS (pay wall)

11. Texas
12. Columbia
12. Harvard
12. UCLA
12. Michigan
16. Hopkins
16. Purdue
16. UCSD
16. UMD
16. Penn
16. Wisconsin
16. Yale
23. Brown
24. Duke
24. UC Irvine
24. Chicago
24. UNC
24. USC
29. Mudd
29. NW
29. Rice
29. UCD
29. UCSB
29. UMASS
29. UVA
29. Tech

Honestly, I wouldn't bother looking too closely at the few sets of undergrad departmental rankings.

You'd be very stupid not to, especially for engineering and CS.

UDub at #55 is a much better CS department and would provide better opportunities than Vanderbilt, Rice, Georgetown, etc. To ignore that is idiotic.

I disagree that your job prospects, especially longer term, would be better coming from Washington (at least where I've been in Big Tech and quant finance).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Emory isn't able to regularly get itself ranked higher? They have the 9th largest endowment (https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/Endowment) but have consistently been ranked in the low 20s.

The schools ranked higher on the endowment list have some upside given their resources.

Emory hasn’t really been able to establish a real identity, or at least one that appeals to HS students. I live in the South and have college-age relatives in the Atlanta area, and none of our kids even thought about Emory. They all applied to Duke & Vanderbilt, but not Emory. I mentioned Emory to my DC as a possibility, and they dismissed it out of hand. For marketing, they don’t have major sports for marketing, and they don’t have a unified campus. I also think they’ve been hurt by the Georgia state scholarship programs. The highly qualified kids in GA that could get into Emory can attend GaTech and UGA tuition free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Emory isn't able to regularly get itself ranked higher? They have the 9th largest endowment (https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/Endowment) but have consistently been ranked in the low 20s.

The schools ranked higher on the endowment list have some upside given their resources.

Emory hasn’t really been able to establish a real identity, or at least one that appeals to HS students. I live in the South and have college-age relatives in the Atlanta area, and none of our kids even thought about Emory. They all applied to Duke & Vanderbilt, but not Emory. I mentioned Emory to my DC as a possibility, and they dismissed it out of hand. For marketing, they don’t have major sports for marketing, and they don’t have a unified campus. I also think they’ve been hurt by the Georgia state scholarship programs. The highly qualified kids in GA that could get into Emory can attend GaTech and UGA tuition free.

Emory is like 14th among private schools for endoment. It's at about the right place.

My kid didn't want to gamble with T20, so mostly looked at 20-50 schools.
NYU and Emory came up top for ED candidates for either econ or business.
After visiting, liked NYU very much. Got in CAS via ED.
Boston college was ED2 target if NYU didn't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Emory isn't able to regularly get itself ranked higher? They have the 9th largest endowment (https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/Endowment) but have consistently been ranked in the low 20s.

The schools ranked higher on the endowment list have some upside given their resources.

Emory hasn’t really been able to establish a real identity, or at least one that appeals to HS students. I live in the South and have college-age relatives in the Atlanta area, and none of our kids even thought about Emory. They all applied to Duke & Vanderbilt, but not Emory. I mentioned Emory to my DC as a possibility, and they dismissed it out of hand. For marketing, they don’t have major sports for marketing, and they don’t have a unified campus. I also think they’ve been hurt by the Georgia state scholarship programs. The highly qualified kids in GA that could get into Emory can attend GaTech and UGA tuition free.

Emory has an 11% acceptance rate with a yield rate at 35%. It's doing fine . Yes students that can get into Emory can go to gatech and uga but the opposite can't be said. And just because you DC applied to Duke and Vandy doesn't mean they'll be getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Emory isn't able to regularly get itself ranked higher? They have the 9th largest endowment (https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/Endowment) but have consistently been ranked in the low 20s.

The schools ranked higher on the endowment list have some upside given their resources.

Emory hasn’t really been able to establish a real identity, or at least one that appeals to HS students. I live in the South and have college-age relatives in the Atlanta area, and none of our kids even thought about Emory. They all applied to Duke & Vanderbilt, but not Emory. I mentioned Emory to my DC as a possibility, and they dismissed it out of hand. For marketing, they don’t have major sports for marketing, and they don’t have a unified campus. I also think they’ve been hurt by the Georgia state scholarship programs. The highly qualified kids in GA that could get into Emory can attend GaTech and UGA tuition free.

Emory is like 14th among private schools for endoment. It's at about the right place.

My kid didn't want to gamble with T20, so mostly looked at 20-50 schools.
NYU and Emory came up top for ED candidates for either econ or business.
After visiting, liked NYU very much. Got in CAS via ED.
Boston college was ED2 target if NYU didn't work.

Emory is 17th endowment overall when including publics so it's ranking of 21 isn't really off.