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Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.

If you only knew.

It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.

Princeton? MIT? Harvard? Stanford? Yale? Seems like a pretty solid list for starters.

OK, but what do you actually know about the education at these schools compared to others? Or are you expecting to see them there because of the reputation they have for being there?

I wonder this too. Are the professors better? A shame that you can get the same education but companies still look at brand vs. smarts and other qualities when hiring.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

They don't need USNWR to validate them.

A former Georgetown dean asserted, as to why they won't join the rat race and move to the common app to boost ratings: “we don’t succumb to the false gods.”

No. The real reason Georgetown doesn’t join the Common App is because they don’t want to encourage those with financial need. Relative to other well-ranked schools, Georgetown’s endowment is dinky, which impacts their ability to provide needs-blind admission. If they admit few with need, they can still tout their aid. Georgetown is not on any “best value” list.

This is the only explanation that makes sense. Sad to see a school so obviously in decline.

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Regarding to G'Town's ranking, I feel it has something to do with the lack of STEM program, and this hurts its academic reputation. It graduates successful bankers, doctors, lawyers and politicians, etc., but not scientists and engineers. This probably is due to its resource, or by design. Who would go to college in DC. for engineering?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.

It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.

Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).

Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.

Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.

Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.

You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be

Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.

If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.

A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.

They don't need USNWR to validate them.

A former Georgetown dean asserted, as to why they won't join the rat race and move to the common app to boost ratings: “we don’t succumb to the false gods.”

No. The real reason Georgetown doesn’t join the Common App is because they don’t want to encourage those with financial need. Relative to other well-ranked schools, Georgetown’s endowment is dinky, which impacts their ability to provide needs-blind admission. If they admit few with need, they can still tout their aid. Georgetown is not on any “best value” list.

BINGO. You are correct. Georgetown can then claim it is "need blind" but as you can see here in its own words, Georgetown has limited financial resources.
"Georgetown University is Need-Blind for all applicants. Admitted students who have requested financial aid and are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents will be considered for a very limited number of need-based scholarships."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.

If you only knew.

It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.

Princeton? MIT? Harvard? Stanford? Yale? Seems like a pretty solid list for starters.

OK, but what do you actually know about the education at these schools compared to others? Or are you expecting to see them there because of the reputation they have for being there?

I wonder this too. Are the professors better? A shame that you can get the same education but companies still look at brand vs. smarts and other qualities when hiring.

there are faculty factors such as faculty compensation
Higher the compensation tends to be better faculty

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the obsession with Georgetown’s ranking? Do posters really think it’s where it is because it doesn’t accept the Common App? That’s naive and simplistic.

Georgetown is where it is because its financial resources are paltry compared to the other top schools. Absolutely paltry. Notre Dame has nearly 10 times’ Georgetown’s endowment and is in one of the least expensive locations in the US.

Georgetown also has entering classes that, while very strong, don’t compare to the top Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, Duke etc. Do you really think that Harvard would drop below Georgetown if it stopped accepting the Common App.

MIT is self-selecting in that it doesn’t attract as many non-STEM applicants. Notre Dame is self-selecting in that it attracts fewer non-Catholics. Etc.

If Georgetown thought that simply by welcoming the common application it would suddenly shoot to the highest echelon of the rankings it would do it tomorrow.

But Georgetown is a lot harder to get into than some of the schools ranked higher, like U Mich.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the obsession with Georgetown’s ranking? Do posters really think it’s where it is because it doesn’t accept the Common App? That’s naive and simplistic.

Georgetown is where it is because its financial resources are paltry compared to the other top schools. Absolutely paltry. Notre Dame has nearly 10 times’ Georgetown’s endowment and is in one of the least expensive locations in the US.

Georgetown also has entering classes that, while very strong, don’t compare to the top Ivies, Stanford, Chicago, Duke etc. Do you really think that Harvard would drop below Georgetown if it stopped accepting the Common App.

MIT is self-selecting in that it doesn’t attract as many non-STEM applicants. Notre Dame is self-selecting in that it attracts fewer non-Catholics. Etc.

If Georgetown thought that simply by welcoming the common application it would suddenly shoot to the highest echelon of the rankings it would do it tomorrow.

But Georgetown is a lot harder to get into than some of the schools ranked higher, like U Mich.

So what?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't get why the service academies are grouped with the liberal arts schools.

Because they don't have doctoral programs.

They should have their own group - Service academy group
but nobody would care about the ranking so

The service academies really should not be in the rankings at all.

I think service academies should have their own category - it is so odd to call them liberal arts when every graduate has to take core engineering classes. And I do think people would still care as many applicants apply to more than one Service academy and end up choosing among them.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

Actually pretty close to perfect list...throw in some SLACs and you have the top colleges in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

Actually pretty close to perfect list...throw in some SLACs and you have the top colleges in the country.

Nah, just a Penn State or Duke booster.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

You don't know anything, clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Completely obvious HYPSM are the top 5. I assume cheating, if others crack into that top 5.

Ranked too high:
Chicago at 6 (should be 9 to 11)
Hopkins at 7 tie (should be 10 to 12)
Northwestern at 10 tie (should be 12 to 14)
Vanderbilt at 13 tie (should be 15 to 17)
Wash U at 15 tie (should be 17 to 19)

Ranked too low:
Columbia at 18 (should be 10 to 12)
Cornell at 17 (should be 14 to 16)

My take:
Princeton
MIT
Harvard, Stanford, Yale
UPenn
Caltech
Duke
Chicago
Hopkins
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Cornell
Rice, Vanderbilt
WashU, Notre Dame
Berkley

Actually pretty close to perfect list...throw in some SLACs and you have the top colleges in the country.

Nah, just a Penn State or Duke booster.

What does anything they said have to do with Penn State?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.

If you only knew.

It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.

Princeton? MIT? Harvard? Stanford? Yale? Seems like a pretty solid list for starters.

OK, but what do you actually know about the education at these schools compared to others? Or are you expecting to see them there because of the reputation they have for being there?

I wonder this too. Are the professors better? A shame that you can get the same education but companies still look at brand vs. smarts and other qualities when hiring.

there are faculty factors such as faculty compensation
Higher the compensation tends to be better faculty

Not reliable at all.

a) Salary is way too dependent on the strength of the local economy.

b) Almost no one makes their decision where to teach based primarily on salary. Probably the number one factor is the perceived seriousness of the students' interest in learning, along with geographic location, who else is on the faculty, research facilities, etc. Salary does play some role for some professors, but not a big one.

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Faculty members get tenure at prestigious R1 research universities primarily because of their research and publications. Many of them do not focus a lot of time and effort into teaching undergrads and some avoid it completely if they can. You may get well-known professors but that doesn't equate to "better" in terms of teaching and classroom experience (particularly for undergrads).

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding to G'Town's ranking, I feel it has something to do with the lack of STEM program, and this hurts its academic reputation. It graduates successful bankers, doctors, lawyers and politicians, etc., but not scientists and engineers. This probably is due to its resource, or by design. Who would go to college in DC. for engineering?

It seems like schools with small endowments, and limited physical space for expansion, like Georgetown Tufts BC and William and Mary are going to be on the downslope over the next 10 years, while public universities like U Florida and UT Austin are going to keep rising because of their research capabilities, and their overall appeal.