Sorority rush - please make it sound appealing to me

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Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

When I was in college, my roommate’s girlfriend was super cautious about her weight because they did monthly underwear walks where your body was judged by your “sisters”

And that never even happened to me in a sorority and hasn’t happened to my dd. So again, cannot generalize.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.



Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

How many non-greek college deaths linked to drinking? Bottom line people, if you are against it do whatever you have to do to make your kid avoid it, it is a personal choice and completely voluntary. Absolutely no one makes you do it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP there are lots of people on this board who simply hate greek life and can't imagine why anyone would do it. Got news for you, many of them don't even have kids in college and once they do, their kid may well be interested themselves. Why? because it's a way to make a large college smaller, to find "your people" which we are always talking about on this board. It's much easier to find your people in a group of 200 sorority sisters, as opposed to 15,000 under grads.

It's also just fun. They have an active social life, lots of parties and activities including charity events, and there are lots of leadership opportunities.

And again, there is a huge emphasis on diversity in greek life these days. These are not white blond girls anymore, though I can't speak for the SEC schools. My DDs house represents every ethnicity on campus and is a home for all their members, from the studious to the party girl and everyone in between. She has met a group of girls that she really enjoys being around (especially the older girls) and never would have met them had it not been for her sorority.

In reality, it's not much different than any other social club or even sports, or academic etc. Yes the rush process is tough, and that's because there are SO many people interested. When you have 15 houses and a thousand people interested, you are going to have to have a selection process.

Actually, my kids have always steered clear of groups and organizations that cause drama, treat people unfairly, and judge others based on superficial traits. They have done this since ES, when they quickly realized the Queen Bees were downright mean to many kids and excluded them and made fun of them. While my kid was not excluded, they were smart enough to realize this was wrong and didn't join those groups. Similarly in MS and HS, steered clear of the "mean girls" and "popular crowd" where your status could change daily. She watched a good friend go thru it in HS and just supported her; watched the friend wander around alone at Homecoming because she'd been ditched by the "popular friends" yet wouldn't/couldn't talk to her other group of friends 4 of them for fear of being further excluded from the popular group. My kid is nice enough to remain good friends with this girl, and just be there when she "has the time for her and that group of friends", but they all hurt watching the friend deal with the ups/downs/meanness of the popular group and wish she could see she doesn't have to do that to herself.

I wonder if your kids inherited your superiority complex? The women in my sorority weren’t half as judgmental as you demonstrated yourself to be in one post.

HA NP, I was JUST coming on here to say how the anti-greek people in this thread are some of the most judgemental people I have ever seen, with one heck of a superiority complex.

As someone what was in a popular fraternity at a rich southern school, I’d call the anti-Greek people entirely rational. My experience of Greek life was that it was abusive, exclusionary, sexually predatory, racist, and dangerously drug and alcohol fueled. I have no problem with people judging Greek organizations.

So with your two posts you have made PP's point. You are anti-Greek, judgmental and one heck of a superiority complex. Got it.

And here’s the gaslighting I mentioned. I say “I experienced racist, criminal, sexually predatory behavior.” PP responds “You have a superiority complex.”

Thanks for proving my point.

Then you should have reported them to the proper authorities. You could have experienced all of that and done the right thing. You being called judgmental and told you have a superiority complex is from you inferring that labeling the whole based off of your experience is acceptable, it is not. In the end, you accepted the bid, stayed long enough to experience bad things which says a lot about you and your decision making.

Bless your heart. You’re working SO hard here.

Meanwhile, in the real world, actual adults are able to look at the statistics of sexual violence, alcohol poisoning and disciplinary action against fraternities on college campuses big and small, private and public, nationwide and draw their own conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:OP there are lots of people on this board who simply hate greek life and can't imagine why anyone would do it. Got news for you, many of them don't even have kids in college and once they do, their kid may well be interested themselves. Why? because it's a way to make a large college smaller, to find "your people" which we are always talking about on this board. It's much easier to find your people in a group of 200 sorority sisters, as opposed to 15,000 under grads.

It's also just fun. They have an active social life, lots of parties and activities including charity events, and there are lots of leadership opportunities.

And again, there is a huge emphasis on diversity in greek life these days. These are not white blond girls anymore, though I can't speak for the SEC schools. My DDs house represents every ethnicity on campus and is a home for all their members, from the studious to the party girl and everyone in between. She has met a group of girls that she really enjoys being around (especially the older girls) and never would have met them had it not been for her sorority.

In reality, it's not much different than any other social club or even sports, or academic etc. Yes the rush process is tough, and that's because there are SO many people interested. When you have 15 houses and a thousand people interested, you are going to have to have a selection process.

Actually, my kids have always steered clear of groups and organizations that cause drama, treat people unfairly, and judge others based on superficial traits. They have done this since ES, when they quickly realized the Queen Bees were downright mean to many kids and excluded them and made fun of them. While my kid was not excluded, they were smart enough to realize this was wrong and didn't join those groups. Similarly in MS and HS, steered clear of the "mean girls" and "popular crowd" where your status could change daily. She watched a good friend go thru it in HS and just supported her; watched the friend wander around alone at Homecoming because she'd been ditched by the "popular friends" yet wouldn't/couldn't talk to her other group of friends 4 of them for fear of being further excluded from the popular group. My kid is nice enough to remain good friends with this girl, and just be there when she "has the time for her and that group of friends", but they all hurt watching the friend deal with the ups/downs/meanness of the popular group and wish she could see she doesn't have to do that to herself.

I wonder if your kids inherited your superiority complex? The women in my sorority weren’t half as judgmental as you demonstrated yourself to be in one post.

HA NP, I was JUST coming on here to say how the anti-greek people in this thread are some of the most judgemental people I have ever seen, with one heck of a superiority complex.

As someone what was in a popular fraternity at a rich southern school, I’d call the anti-Greek people entirely rational. My experience of Greek life was that it was abusive, exclusionary, sexually predatory, racist, and dangerously drug and alcohol fueled. I have no problem with people judging Greek organizations.

So with your two posts you have made PP's point. You are anti-Greek, judgmental and one heck of a superiority complex. Got it.

And here’s the gaslighting I mentioned. I say “I experienced racist, criminal, sexually predatory behavior.” PP responds “You have a superiority complex.”

Thanks for proving my point.

Then you should have reported them to the proper authorities. You could have experienced all of that and done the right thing. You being called judgmental and told you have a superiority complex is from you inferring that labeling the whole based off of your experience is acceptable, it is not. In the end, you accepted the bid, stayed long enough to experience bad things which says a lot about you and your decision making.

Bless your heart. You’re working SO hard here.

Meanwhile, in the real world, actual adults are able to look at the statistics of sexual violence, alcohol poisoning and disciplinary action against fraternities on college campuses big and small, private and public, nationwide and draw their own conclusions.

NP-Correct and after drawing your own conclusions choose to join or not. PP stated the obvious, if there was criminal activity observed it should have been reported just like any other crime in "the real world." The ant-Greek contingent here seems to be the one's banging their head against a wall. I have no say one way or the other because I have no experience but it is obvious both sides are entrenched in their beliefs so why doesn't everyone just move on?

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Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

When I was in college, my roommate’s girlfriend was super cautious about her weight because they did monthly underwear walks where your body was judged by your “sisters”

This happened at our school too. And they would circle areas of fat on their bodies with a marker.
And that never even happened to me in a sorority and hasn’t happened to my dd. So again, cannot generalize.

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Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

When I was in college, my roommate’s girlfriend was super cautious about her weight because they did monthly underwear walks where your body was judged by your “sisters”

Yes, they lined the girls up and circled the areas of fat on them to embarrass them.

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Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

When I was in college, my roommate’s girlfriend was super cautious about her weight because they did monthly underwear walks where your body was judged by your “sisters”

I went to the University of Florida and was in a sorority and friends with many in other sororities. I was not slim. This never happened to me nor to my other friends.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the interns from the national office really jumped in all over this thread for PR.

Seriously. This is absurd. No one in real life loves Greek life as much as these people claim to. The astroturfing on DCUM is getting out of control.

And the people that hate Greek life would know this how? Sorry to disappoint, I’m a real person who had a great time as a member of a sorority and hope my daughter chooses to rush as well.

It’s just seen as terribly gauche. The equivalent to someone who, 30 years later, continues to brag about having been a cheerleader in middle school as if it were the highlight of their life. And that’s a generous comparison — a less generous comparison would be someone who’s just very proud of being a member of the KKK. I’m sure 70 years ago, it was all the rage, too.

You cannot be serious. Get a grip. Wow.
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You do realize that the KKK was directly inspired by Greek life. Right?

Sure, Jan.

Ha. She probably read that the KKK started as a "fraternal" social club and thinks the word fraternal means college Greek Life.

Y’all are so braindead it’s embarrassing to watch.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-racist-fraternity-that-tried-to-shut-me-up

This whole exchange was painful to read through. I guess it’s true what they say that Greeks are dumber on average. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Wow, this is quite the spin. Just lay off it. Interns from the national office are really out here somehow trying to turn greek-related alcohol deaths into a good thing. The gall.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Some extremely poor and irresponsible fudging with statistics here. For one, that first figure you give is not entirely accurate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/15/the-often-repeated-claim-that-1800-college-students-die-from-alcohol-related-causes/

Second, you really shouldn’t be plugging and playing statistics from a completely different source.

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Anonymous wrote:OP there are lots of people on this board who simply hate greek life and can't imagine why anyone would do it. Got news for you, many of them don't even have kids in college and once they do, their kid may well be interested themselves. Why? because it's a way to make a large college smaller, to find "your people" which we are always talking about on this board. It's much easier to find your people in a group of 200 sorority sisters, as opposed to 15,000 under grads.

It's also just fun. They have an active social life, lots of parties and activities including charity events, and there are lots of leadership opportunities.

And again, there is a huge emphasis on diversity in greek life these days. These are not white blond girls anymore, though I can't speak for the SEC schools. My DDs house represents every ethnicity on campus and is a home for all their members, from the studious to the party girl and everyone in between. She has met a group of girls that she really enjoys being around (especially the older girls) and never would have met them had it not been for her sorority.

In reality, it's not much different than any other social club or even sports, or academic etc. Yes the rush process is tough, and that's because there are SO many people interested. When you have 15 houses and a thousand people interested, you are going to have to have a selection process.

Actually, my kids have always steered clear of groups and organizations that cause drama, treat people unfairly, and judge others based on superficial traits. They have done this since ES, when they quickly realized the Queen Bees were downright mean to many kids and excluded them and made fun of them. While my kid was not excluded, they were smart enough to realize this was wrong and didn't join those groups. Similarly in MS and HS, steered clear of the "mean girls" and "popular crowd" where your status could change daily. She watched a good friend go thru it in HS and just supported her; watched the friend wander around alone at Homecoming because she'd been ditched by the "popular friends" yet wouldn't/couldn't talk to her other group of friends 4 of them for fear of being further excluded from the popular group. My kid is nice enough to remain good friends with this girl, and just be there when she "has the time for her and that group of friends", but they all hurt watching the friend deal with the ups/downs/meanness of the popular group and wish she could see she doesn't have to do that to herself.

I wonder if your kids inherited your superiority complex? The women in my sorority weren’t half as judgmental as you demonstrated yourself to be in one post.

HA NP, I was JUST coming on here to say how the anti-greek people in this thread are some of the most judgemental people I have ever seen, with one heck of a superiority complex.

As someone what was in a popular fraternity at a rich southern school, I’d call the anti-Greek people entirely rational. My experience of Greek life was that it was abusive, exclusionary, sexually predatory, racist, and dangerously drug and alcohol fueled. I have no problem with people judging Greek organizations.

So with your two posts you have made PP's point. You are anti-Greek, judgmental and one heck of a superiority complex. Got it.

And here’s the gaslighting I mentioned. I say “I experienced racist, criminal, sexually predatory behavior.” PP responds “You have a superiority complex.”

Thanks for proving my point.

Then you should have reported them to the proper authorities. You could have experienced all of that and done the right thing. You being called judgmental and told you have a superiority complex is from you inferring that labeling the whole based off of your experience is acceptable, it is not. In the end, you accepted the bid, stayed long enough to experience bad things which says a lot about you and your decision making.

Bless your heart. You’re working SO hard here.

Meanwhile, in the real world, actual adults are able to look at the statistics of sexual violence, alcohol poisoning and disciplinary action against fraternities on college campuses big and small, private and public, nationwide and draw their own conclusions.

NP-Correct and after drawing your own conclusions choose to join or not. PP stated the obvious, if there was criminal activity observed it should have been reported just like any other crime in "the real world." The ant-Greek contingent here seems to be the one's banging their head against a wall. I have no say one way or the other because I have no experience but it is obvious both sides are entrenched in their beliefs so why doesn't everyone just move on?

Witness: “When I was in the mafia, I witnessed the defendant commit many murders.”

Defense attorney: “But you didn’t immediately report them to the police, so they don’t count.”

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It’s an easy way to make friends and get invited to parties where you can meet cute boys in a mixer like setting.

Of course you can do both without Greek Life but you asked why people rush and this is why.

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Anonymous wrote:OP there are lots of people on this board who simply hate greek life and can't imagine why anyone would do it. Got news for you, many of them don't even have kids in college and once they do, their kid may well be interested themselves. Why? because it's a way to make a large college smaller, to find "your people" which we are always talking about on this board. It's much easier to find your people in a group of 200 sorority sisters, as opposed to 15,000 under grads.

It's also just fun. They have an active social life, lots of parties and activities including charity events, and there are lots of leadership opportunities.

And again, there is a huge emphasis on diversity in greek life these days. These are not white blond girls anymore, though I can't speak for the SEC schools. My DDs house represents every ethnicity on campus and is a home for all their members, from the studious to the party girl and everyone in between. She has met a group of girls that she really enjoys being around (especially the older girls) and never would have met them had it not been for her sorority.

In reality, it's not much different than any other social club or even sports, or academic etc. Yes the rush process is tough, and that's because there are SO many people interested. When you have 15 houses and a thousand people interested, you are going to have to have a selection process.

Actually, my kids have always steered clear of groups and organizations that cause drama, treat people unfairly, and judge others based on superficial traits. They have done this since ES, when they quickly realized the Queen Bees were downright mean to many kids and excluded them and made fun of them. While my kid was not excluded, they were smart enough to realize this was wrong and didn't join those groups. Similarly in MS and HS, steered clear of the "mean girls" and "popular crowd" where your status could change daily. She watched a good friend go thru it in HS and just supported her; watched the friend wander around alone at Homecoming because she'd been ditched by the "popular friends" yet wouldn't/couldn't talk to her other group of friends 4 of them for fear of being further excluded from the popular group. My kid is nice enough to remain good friends with this girl, and just be there when she "has the time for her and that group of friends", but they all hurt watching the friend deal with the ups/downs/meanness of the popular group and wish she could see she doesn't have to do that to herself.

I wonder if your kids inherited your superiority complex? The women in my sorority weren’t half as judgmental as you demonstrated yourself to be in one post.

HA NP, I was JUST coming on here to say how the anti-greek people in this thread are some of the most judgemental people I have ever seen, with one heck of a superiority complex.

As someone what was in a popular fraternity at a rich southern school, I’d call the anti-Greek people entirely rational. My experience of Greek life was that it was abusive, exclusionary, sexually predatory, racist, and dangerously drug and alcohol fueled. I have no problem with people judging Greek organizations.

So with your two posts you have made PP's point. You are anti-Greek, judgmental and one heck of a superiority complex. Got it.

And here’s the gaslighting I mentioned. I say “I experienced racist, criminal, sexually predatory behavior.” PP responds “You have a superiority complex.”

Thanks for proving my point.

Then you should have reported them to the proper authorities. You could have experienced all of that and done the right thing. You being called judgmental and told you have a superiority complex is from you inferring that labeling the whole based off of your experience is acceptable, it is not. In the end, you accepted the bid, stayed long enough to experience bad things which says a lot about you and your decision making.

Bless your heart. You’re working SO hard here.

Meanwhile, in the real world, actual adults are able to look at the statistics of sexual violence, alcohol poisoning and disciplinary action against fraternities on college campuses big and small, private and public, nationwide and draw their own conclusions.

NP-Correct and after drawing your own conclusions choose to join or not. PP stated the obvious, if there was criminal activity observed it should have been reported just like any other crime in "the real world." The ant-Greek contingent here seems to be the one's banging their head against a wall. I have no say one way or the other because I have no experience but it is obvious both sides are entrenched in their beliefs so why doesn't everyone just move on?

Witness: “When I was in the mafia, I witnessed the defendant commit many murders.”

Defense attorney: “But you didn’t immediately report them to the police, so they don’t count.”

You are not a serious person.

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Op, wants you to name things that are appealing during Rush.