Sorority rush - please make it sound appealing to me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

Oh come one. Why do people say dumb sh-- like this? Pay for friends . . . people "pay for friends" all the time in one way or another: country clubs, for example. Even in sports . . . that's not free. Not by a long shot. And part of the reason people do that is to find their group, tribe, friends, whatever. I'm not some Greek rah-rah person but get real. This is not unique to Greeks.

Trust me, we're all glad you attended university somewhere else too.

There are plenty of us who don't partake in the country clubs or any other "pay for friends" as an adult, despite having the financial means to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

Pretty sure you must be a troll given how over the top you are, but funny that you think the British aren’t social conscious or fond of private clubs.

[Anonymous]

We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

so is walking down the street and getting in your car.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the interns from the national office really jumped in all over this thread for PR.

Seriously. This is absurd. No one in real life loves Greek life as much as these people claim to. The astroturfing on DCUM is getting out of control.

And the people that hate Greek life would know this how? Sorry to disappoint, I’m a real person who had a great time as a member of a sorority and hope my daughter chooses to rush as well.

It’s just seen as terribly gauche. The equivalent to someone who, 30 years later, continues to brag about having been a cheerleader in middle school as if it were the highlight of their life. And that’s a generous comparison — a less generous comparison would be someone who’s just very proud of being a member of the KKK. I’m sure 70 years ago, it was all the rage, too.

You cannot be serious. Get a grip. Wow.
DP

You do realize that the KKK was directly inspired by Greek life. Right?

Sure, Jan.

Ha. She probably read that the KKK started as a "fraternal" social club and thinks the word fraternal means college Greek Life.

Y’all are so braindead it’s embarrassing to watch.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-racist-fraternity-that-tried-to-shut-me-up

Tell us how you feel about the Divine Nine. Still waiting.
DP

???? How on earth is the existence of multicultural Greek life, which was explicitly created in response to the racist and exclusionary nature of Greek life, supposed to be a smoking gun in this conversation?

Because there is a poster who very pointedly is calling sororities “racist” and “exclusionary” - but has nothing to say about the existence of ALL black sororities, which by their very definition, are racist and exclusionary. So curious.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the interns from the national office really jumped in all over this thread for PR.

Seriously. This is absurd. No one in real life loves Greek life as much as these people claim to. The astroturfing on DCUM is getting out of control.

And the people that hate Greek life would know this how? Sorry to disappoint, I’m a real person who had a great time as a member of a sorority and hope my daughter chooses to rush as well.

It’s just seen as terribly gauche. The equivalent to someone who, 30 years later, continues to brag about having been a cheerleader in middle school as if it were the highlight of their life. And that’s a generous comparison — a less generous comparison would be someone who’s just very proud of being a member of the KKK. I’m sure 70 years ago, it was all the rage, too.

You cannot be serious. Get a grip. Wow.
DP

You do realize that the KKK was directly inspired by Greek life. Right?

Sure, Jan.

Ha. She probably read that the KKK started as a "fraternal" social club and thinks the word fraternal means college Greek Life.

Y’all are so braindead it’s embarrassing to watch.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-racist-fraternity-that-tried-to-shut-me-up

Tell us how you feel about the Divine Nine. Still waiting.
DP

???? How on earth is the existence of multicultural Greek life, which was explicitly created in response to the racist and exclusionary nature of Greek life, supposed to be a smoking gun in this conversation?

Because there is a poster who very pointedly is calling sororities “racist” and “exclusionary” - but has nothing to say about the existence of ALL black sororities, which by their very definition, are racist and exclusionary. So curious.
DP

If you can’t tell the difference between the nature of those two, you may be hopeless.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

I dunno, American collegiate "Greek life" has always come across as cringey and childish. Maybe it's the constituents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

Are you referring to the Pall Mall clubs like Travelers or The Reform Club? Because there is nothing like the American Greek system at Oxbridge. And I’ve been yo Travelers snd the Reform Club and was also president of a US Soriority. They aren’t comparable on any level

[Anonymous]

Give it up and let this thread die people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We got to see bid day last Sunday at my daughters southern non SEC state school. It was so fun and as each set of girls ran down row to their house bypassing my daughter’s all of the girls were supportive of each other.

Of course there are the parts about that life we hear about that aren’t so pleasant, but it is her money and her life. It isn’t dangerous or harmful, so we listen and support our daughter.

Im glad it wasn’t for your daughter but it is for some. Just know that’s a risk.

Frats and sororities can be very dangerous. A frat at my college was permanently shut down when two young men died during hazing

When I was in college, my roommate’s girlfriend was super cautious about her weight because they did monthly underwear walks where your body was judged by your “sisters”

[Anonymous]

It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.



Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.