Sorority rush - please make it sound appealing to me

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Wow, this is quite the spin. Just lay off it. Interns from the national office are really out here somehow trying to turn greek-related alcohol deaths into a good thing. The gall.

Are there really such thing as sorority and fraternity national office interns? Why would someone intern there instead of something that would connect to professional career development?

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Wow, this is quite the spin. Just lay off it. Interns from the national office are really out here somehow trying to turn greek-related alcohol deaths into a good thing. The gall.

Are there really such thing as sorority and fraternity national office interns? Why would someone intern there instead of something that would connect to professional career development?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Wow, this is quite the spin. Just lay off it. Interns from the national office are really out here somehow trying to turn greek-related alcohol deaths into a good thing. The gall.

Are there really such thing as sorority and fraternity national office interns? Why would someone intern there instead of something that would connect to professional career development?

There are grown women who’ve made a career out of Greek life. They have a national office.

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

Oh come one. Why do people say dumb sh-- like this? Pay for friends . . . people "pay for friends" all the time in one way or another: country clubs, for example. Even in sports . . . that's not free. Not by a long shot. And part of the reason people do that is to find their group, tribe, friends, whatever. I'm not some Greek rah-rah person but get real. This is not unique to Greeks.

Trust me, we're all glad you attended university somewhere else too.

There are plenty of us who don't partake in the country clubs or any other "pay for friends" as an adult, despite having the financial means to do so.

But the point is that are many that do. And like it or not, even with "Free" groups, you're still grouping together with people. And likely, still shelling out money for food or activities: sports leagues, crafting groups, etc. Those all have money involved even if you're not paying for memberships.

So, you know, nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to assess without up to date and specific knowledge of how Greek life is handled at a specific school. What goes on at Alabama will be different than Florida and Minnesota and Maryland. What goes on at a big school will be very different than what goes on at a small school. What goes on at a city/urban school will be different than what goes on at a college town school.

The questions really come down to what else is going on socially around the school and for your kid specifically. A big school (25,000 plus) is going to have tons of stuff happening socially -- athletics, clubs, theater etc -- so kids are not at all at a social disadvantage if they do not join up. On the other hand -- these big schools will also have a strong Greek life for those who want to join. There are also small schools where student social life is very centered on Greek life simply do to a lack of organized other alternative social activities. I will say that at least in some of those schools there is little exclusion of non-members from many of the social activities.

Do be careful of the time commitment involved. It can be significant. Time management will be necessary.

There is excessive drinking going on all over every college campus. Always has been. It is not unique to the Greek system and they are not immune. Oddly -- based on some of the comments in this thread -- I would say that my kid's frat experience is that drinking is monitored. They had designated sober party attendees who looked out for drunks, prevented fights, kept an eye on girls attending to make sure they were not harassed and drove people back to dorms/home.

On the other hand -- if your kid is already involved in something time consuming at the school then finding the time to also do Greek may be a real problem. My daughter played soccer. No one on the team was in a Sorority because there was no time to join. Practice and travel prevented that. They went to lots of Greek parties, but really could not join. You really do have to have the time.

Yet, I know the two young men who died during hazing while being forced to drink and drive at my slac. 11 young men died just last year at another college. go google "Deaths
Fraterterniy Sorority Greek hazing alcohol" and you will find a plethora of stories like this:

Which fraternity has the most deaths?

Sigma Alpha Epsilon has had nine deaths linked to drinking, drugs and hazing since 2006, more than any other Greek organization, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in 2013. More than 100 chapters have been disciplined since 2007, with at least fifteen suspended or closed since 2010.

The NIAAA tracks reported alcohol related college student deaths. They average more than 1500 a year. That’s college. Young people drink to excess and do stupid things like drive or even walk where they don’t know where they are going and pass out somewhere outside and freeze. Not long ago at my Alma mater a young man fell into the river crossing campus and drowned.

The point being - young adults drink to excess in college very often and bad things can happen. Sometimes leading to death - about 1500 times a year. If frats and sororities make up about 10% of college student populations, then you would expect about 150 alcohol related deaths a year. It seems like the number is quite a bit lower than that so maybe they are doing a better job at keeping track to prevent those things.

Wow, this is quite the spin. Just lay off it. Interns from the national office are really out here somehow trying to turn greek-related alcohol deaths into a good thing. The gall.

Are there really such thing as sorority and fraternity national office interns? Why would someone intern there instead of something that would connect to professional career development?

Since e region has interns probably there are, but no they are not posting here. That is just something dumb one of the posters is cracking themselves up for.

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

Are you referring to the Pall Mall clubs like Travelers or The Reform Club? Because there is nothing like the American Greek system at Oxbridge. And I’ve been yo Travelers snd the Reform Club and was also president of a US Soriority. They aren’t comparable on any level

Oxford and Cambridge both have drinking societies / dining clubs where kids get together to get drunk and act like idiots with their friends (the same thing Greek kids do at American schools).

Distinct difference between kids getting together to drink and the weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing that frats/srats partake in.

It's fascinating to me that THE most "weird/weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing" in the US is the clubs in the Ivy League (google "Skull & Bones" sometime). But it's the relatively banal southern sororities the set everyone off on a tangent. If it's Yale, it's got to be wonderful, right?

The persecution complex amongst you people who make it a whole point to persecute others based on your contrived social hierarchy is strange indeed!

So, now you've really given the game away. When it's Yale, outsiders just have a "persecution complex," but when it's a state school in the South, the "whole point [is] to persecute others based on [a] *contrived* social hierarchy." It's the same result -- the people on this board condemn the enforcement of a "social hierarchy" when it is in the South, but think it is justified, and, in fact, desirable, when it's the Ivy League. We see here the beautiful irony of the ultimate snobs condemning others that they think are beneath them for having the temerity to be snobs.

Well said. And that goes for the idiot snob who insists students in the UK at Oxford, etc. don't get blackout drunk. What a joke to claim that they're so much more sophisticated. A simple google search turns up hundreds of pictures of wasted UK university students. Same with Ivy League schools.

No one said anything about UK students not getting blackout drunk. That’s projection on your part. UK unis don’t have Greek life. That’s the point. Quite ironic and telling that you automatically equate Greek life with “getting blackout drunk”.

Who cares if they don't have Greek life? Their stupid "secret societies" more than make up for it. You were criticizing Greek organizations for their "contrived social hierarchy," when that is EXACTLY what secret societies are about. So you can hop off your high horse any time now and think about your utter hypocrisy.

https://footprints-tours.com/top-5-most-outrageous-oxford-university-societies/#:~:text=8%20Most%20Outrageous%20Societies%20You%20NEED%20to%20Know,5.%20Oxford%E2%80%99s%20Black%20Cygnets%20%E2%80%93%207%2F10.%20More%20items

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I would not have rushed had someone paid me to do so, but I always find it odd when people seem eager to perform their contempt for frats and sororities... especially if they would be thrilled to see their kid get into Cottage or Ivy at Princeton.

And, in defense of sororities and fraternities, the application process is certainly more egalitarian and democratic than bullshit like Skull and Bones or the final clubs at Harvard, which are truly epicenters of the most obnoxious douchebraggery I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not have rushed had someone paid me to do so, but I always find it odd when people seem eager to perform their contempt for frats and sororities... especially if they would be thrilled to see their kid get into Cottage or Ivy at Princeton.

And, in defense of sororities and fraternities, the application process is certainly more egalitarian and democratic than bullshit like Skull and Bones or the final clubs at Harvard, which are truly epicenters of the most obnoxious douchebraggery I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

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I deliberately picked a college with no Greek life, that's how sure I was that I didn't want to be a part of it. But reading the venomous anti-Greek posts vs the more balanced and reasonable Greek defenders, I feel like I would probably have had a great time had I been in a sorority. I'm neutral on whether my daughter should rush or not at her large university - going to leave it up to her.

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

Are you referring to the Pall Mall clubs like Travelers or The Reform Club? Because there is nothing like the American Greek system at Oxbridge. And I’ve been yo Travelers snd the Reform Club and was also president of a US Soriority. They aren’t comparable on any level

Oxford and Cambridge both have drinking societies / dining clubs where kids get together to get drunk and act like idiots with their friends (the same thing Greek kids do at American schools).

Distinct difference between kids getting together to drink and the weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing that frats/srats partake in.

It's fascinating to me that THE most "weird/weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing" in the US is the clubs in the Ivy League (google "Skull & Bones" sometime). But it's the relatively banal southern sororities the set everyone off on a tangent. If it's Yale, it's got to be wonderful, right?

The persecution complex amongst you people who make it a whole point to persecute others based on your contrived social hierarchy is strange indeed!

So, now you've really given the game away. When it's Yale, outsiders just have a "persecution complex," but when it's a state school in the South, the "whole point [is] to persecute others based on [a] *contrived* social hierarchy." It's the same result -- the people on this board condemn the enforcement of a "social hierarchy" when it is in the South, but think it is justified, and, in fact, desirable, when it's the Ivy League. We see here the beautiful irony of the ultimate snobs condemning others that they think are beneath them for having the temerity to be snobs.

Well said. And that goes for the idiot snob who insists students in the UK at Oxford, etc. don't get blackout drunk. What a joke to claim that they're so much more sophisticated. A simple google search turns up hundreds of pictures of wasted UK university students. Same with Ivy League schools.

No one said anything about UK students not getting blackout drunk. That’s projection on your part. UK unis don’t have Greek life. That’s the point. Quite ironic and telling that you automatically equate Greek life with “getting blackout drunk”.

My kid is rushing at an SEC school, and they said they met several international students from the UK, Italy, and beyond. FWIW.

who are students at the SEC school, right? What are you missing here. google it. There are no sororities or frats in the UK. A quick google search comes up with:

People also ask
Are there frats and sororities in the UK?
Sororities and fraternities, collectively referred to as Greek life, do not exist in the UK, but are a huge part of college culture in the US. For those who are unfamiliar with them, they are—put simply—gender-specific social organisations: fraternities are for men and sororities for women.Nov 24, 2016

The problem with fraternities and sororities - Prospect Magazinehttps://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk › society-and-culture
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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

Are you referring to the Pall Mall clubs like Travelers or The Reform Club? Because there is nothing like the American Greek system at Oxbridge. And I’ve been yo Travelers snd the Reform Club and was also president of a US Soriority. They aren’t comparable on any level

Oxford and Cambridge both have drinking societies / dining clubs where kids get together to get drunk and act like idiots with their friends (the same thing Greek kids do at American schools).

Distinct difference between kids getting together to drink and the weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing that frats/srats partake in.

It's fascinating to me that THE most "weird/weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing" in the US is the clubs in the Ivy League (google "Skull & Bones" sometime). But it's the relatively banal southern sororities the set everyone off on a tangent. If it's Yale, it's got to be wonderful, right?

The persecution complex amongst you people who make it a whole point to persecute others based on your contrived social hierarchy is strange indeed!

So, now you've really given the game away. When it's Yale, outsiders just have a "persecution complex," but when it's a state school in the South, the "whole point [is] to persecute others based on [a] *contrived* social hierarchy." It's the same result -- the people on this board condemn the enforcement of a "social hierarchy" when it is in the South, but think it is justified, and, in fact, desirable, when it's the Ivy League. We see here the beautiful irony of the ultimate snobs condemning others that they think are beneath them for having the temerity to be snobs.

Um, what? Greek life anywhere, whether at Yale or Alabama, is cringey and weird. And Greek life anywhere is “based on a contrived social hierarchy”. The whole point of it is to look down on and rank/categorize others. Please move on.

Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale. It is not a national frat or sorority. Big difference

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Anonymous wrote:You Americans and your silly, juvenile customs that you get way too worked up about. Lol.

Right. The Japanese drink themselves brain dead after getting into University and my Oxford kid (UVA) says the drinking at Oxford fatr exceeds anything he ever saw in the States. But if course you know better. …because, why? Oh and let’s talk about the German students at Bier-gardens while we are at ot.

It’s not the drinking that I find funny, it’s the weird cosplaying/juvenile social club thing that people apparently assign outsize important to that I find funny. Like you really have to pay for friends to be considered “cool” by other people who pay for their friends? The whole thing is bizarre and a little childish. So glad I attended university in London and not in some hickish American college where being “Greek” is supposed to be something aspirational. And I’m sure actual Greeks find the whole thing even funnier.

yeah, because surely the british upper crust never paid money to join gay, exclusive social clubs lmao

Are you referring to the Pall Mall clubs like Travelers or The Reform Club? Because there is nothing like the American Greek system at Oxbridge. And I’ve been yo Travelers snd the Reform Club and was also president of a US Soriority. They aren’t comparable on any level

Oxford and Cambridge both have drinking societies / dining clubs where kids get together to get drunk and act like idiots with their friends (the same thing Greek kids do at American schools).

Distinct difference between kids getting together to drink and the weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing that frats/srats partake in.

It's fascinating to me that THE most "weird/weird cosplay/initiation/rushing/faux secret society thing" in the US is the clubs in the Ivy League (google "Skull & Bones" sometime). But it's the relatively banal southern sororities the set everyone off on a tangent. If it's Yale, it's got to be wonderful, right?

The persecution complex amongst you people who make it a whole point to persecute others based on your contrived social hierarchy is strange indeed!

So, now you've really given the game away. When it's Yale, outsiders just have a "persecution complex," but when it's a state school in the South, the "whole point [is] to persecute others based on [a] *contrived* social hierarchy." It's the same result -- the people on this board condemn the enforcement of a "social hierarchy" when it is in the South, but think it is justified, and, in fact, desirable, when it's the Ivy League. We see here the beautiful irony of the ultimate snobs condemning others that they think are beneath them for having the temerity to be snobs.

Um, what? Greek life anywhere, whether at Yale or Alabama, is cringey and weird. And Greek life anywhere is “based on a contrived social hierarchy”. The whole point of it is to look down on and rank/categorize others. Please move on.

Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale. It is not a national frat or sorority. Big difference

DP. You do realize Yale has sororities/fraternities too… right?

https://www.instagram.com/yale_panhellenic/?hl=en

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Anonymous wrote:I would not have rushed had someone paid me to do so, but I always find it odd when people seem eager to perform their contempt for frats and sororities... especially if they would be thrilled to see their kid get into Cottage or Ivy at Princeton.

And, in defense of sororities and fraternities, the application process is certainly more egalitarian and democratic than bullshit like Skull and Bones or the final clubs at Harvard, which are truly epicenters of the most obnoxious douchebraggery I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

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I deliberately picked a college with no Greek life, that's how sure I was that I didn't want to be a part of it. But reading the venomous anti-Greek posts vs the more balanced and reasonable Greek defenders, I feel like I would probably have had a great time had I been in a sorority. I'm neutral on whether my daughter should rush or not at her large university - going to leave it up to her.

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The anti-Greekers here are so over-the-top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not have rushed had someone paid me to do so, but I always find it odd when people seem eager to perform their contempt for frats and sororities... especially if they would be thrilled to see their kid get into Cottage or Ivy at Princeton.

And, in defense of sororities and fraternities, the application process is certainly more egalitarian and democratic than bullshit like Skull and Bones or the final clubs at Harvard, which are truly epicenters of the most obnoxious douchebraggery I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

+1
I deliberately picked a college with no Greek life, that's how sure I was that I didn't want to be a part of it. But reading the venomous anti-Greek posts vs the more balanced and reasonable Greek defenders, I feel like I would probably have had a great time had I been in a sorority. I'm neutral on whether my daughter should rush or not at her large university - going to leave it up to her.

You probably just didn't see all of the really gross posts in this thread from the "pro-Greek" side that, of course, got deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not have rushed had someone paid me to do so, but I always find it odd when people seem eager to perform their contempt for frats and sororities... especially if they would be thrilled to see their kid get into Cottage or Ivy at Princeton.

And, in defense of sororities and fraternities, the application process is certainly more egalitarian and democratic than bullshit like Skull and Bones or the final clubs at Harvard, which are truly epicenters of the most obnoxious douchebraggery I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

+1
I deliberately picked a college with no Greek life, that's how sure I was that I didn't want to be a part of it. But reading the venomous anti-Greek posts vs the more balanced and reasonable Greek defenders, I feel like I would probably have had a great time had I been in a sorority. I'm neutral on whether my daughter should rush or not at her large university - going to leave it up to her.

+2
The anti-Greekers here are so over-the-top.

-1. Greek life deserves the derision it gets.