Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any CM that votes in favor of the Chair’s half-assed last-minute scribbling is not only sending a big FU to the dozens of volunteers who spent countless hours balancing competing concerns to arrive at fair solutions but is also telling everyone else in the city to never bother volunteering their time to help the Council out.

The task force didn’t balance anything. Most went along with the “Smart Growth Split Squad” to bust up certain neighborhoods to create corridor commissions. They simply chose to join ignore the overwhelming number of comments in the public record, more than 85% against the neighborhoods split.

Chairman Mendelson’s map undoes the task force’s damage while equalizing SMD size, which is the whole point of ANC redistricting.

They chose to empower the people who live in apartments and condos on the corridors over the single family homeowners who have controlled these commissions for decades. You are just upset about being relegated to the status of a regular, rather than entitled, property owner.

If that is the case, then the task force went rogue and substituted their personal preferences for their legal responsibility. Nothing in the DC Home Rule Act or the Council’s redistricting principles empowers an appointed task force to treat ANC redistricting as a personal white board exercise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This situation has turned into a real mess

Yes, it has. The Ward 3 task force has earned itself quite a reputation across the District and not in a good way. A number of the Councilmembers are ticked off to have to clean up the problems, the unforced errors that the task force has created. Mary Cheh portrays herself as a smart law professor. Did she mail to do due diligence on the people she appointed to the task force?

[Anonymous]

The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any CM that votes in favor of the Chair’s half-assed last-minute scribbling is not only sending a big FU to the dozens of volunteers who spent countless hours balancing competing concerns to arrive at fair solutions but is also telling everyone else in the city to never bother volunteering their time to help the Council out.

The task force didn’t balance anything. Most went along with the “Smart Growth Split Squad” to bust up certain neighborhoods to create corridor commissions. They simply chose to join ignore the overwhelming number of comments in the public record, more than 85% against the neighborhoods split.

Chairman Mendelson’s map undoes the task force’s damage while equalizing SMD size, which is the whole point of ANC redistricting.

They chose to empower the people who live in apartments and condos on the corridors over the single family homeowners who have controlled these commissions for decades. You are just upset about being relegated to the status of a regular, rather than entitled, property owner.

If that is the case, then the task force went rogue and substituted their personal preferences for their legal responsibility. Nothing in the DC Home Rule Act or the Council’s redistricting principles empowers an appointed task force to treat ANC redistricting as a personal white board exercise.

The principle of "one man, one vote" is hardly going rogue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This situation has turned into a real mess

Yes, it has. The Ward 3 task force has earned itself quite a reputation across the District and not in a good way. A number of the Councilmembers are ticked off to have to clean up the problems, the unforced errors that the task force has created. Mary Cheh portrays herself as a smart law professor. Did she mail to do due diligence on the people she appointed to the task force?

You have it backwards, lady. The only people upset with the Task Force map are the same people who have had an outsized voice in the Ward for the past 30 years, and they are upset that the single family homes will now be on par, rather than in a superior position, with the other voices in the Ward. So they went and cried to the Council Chair who catered to their position and came up with the last second map to try to salvage the status quo.

The map mendelson proposed has not been vetted by anyone, it has Single Member Disitricts that are both too big and too small according to the law.

The At-Large Councilmembers who run this process will not be supporting it, nor willl Mary Cheh, and, as a result, it will be voted down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This situation has turned into a real mess

Yes, it has. The Ward 3 task force has earned itself quite a reputation across the District and not in a good way. A number of the Councilmembers are ticked off to have to clean up the problems, the unforced errors that the task force has created. Mary Cheh portrays herself as a smart law professor. Did she mail to do due diligence on the people she appointed to the task force?

You have it backwards, lady. The only people upset with the Task Force map are the same people who have had an outsized voice in the Ward for the past 30 years, and they are upset that the single family homes will now be on par, rather than in a superior position, with the other voices in the Ward. So they went and cried to the Council Chair who catered to their position and came up with the last second map to try to salvage the status quo.

The map mendelson proposed has not been vetted by anyone, it has Single Member Disitricts that are both too big and too small according to the law.

The At-Large Councilmembers who run this process will not be supporting it, nor willl Mary Cheh, and, as a result, it will be voted down.

Let’s see: Mary Cheh appointed and essentially turned the Ward 3 redistricting pen over to the owner of Trump’s national polling firm, the longtime business partner of the guy who created the Willie Horton ad, and who worked with Paul Manafort and a Russian intel agent to stage a political comeback for a Putin ally in Ukraine. And people say Mendelson is somehow not democratic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

Wrong. The Mendelson map unites all of Woodley Park and Cleveland Park under one ANC. It fixes the problems created by the task force and creates compliant-sized SMDs while keeping cohesive neighborhoods together. It is a vast improvement over any other redistricting map.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any CM that votes in favor of the Chair’s half-assed last-minute scribbling is not only sending a big FU to the dozens of volunteers who spent countless hours balancing competing concerns to arrive at fair solutions but is also telling everyone else in the city to never bother volunteering their time to help the Council out.

The task force didn’t balance anything. Most went along with the “Smart Growth Split Squad” to bust up certain neighborhoods to create corridor commissions. They simply chose to join ignore the overwhelming number of comments in the public record, more than 85% against the neighborhoods split.

Chairman Mendelson’s map undoes the task force’s damage while equalizing SMD size, which is the whole point of ANC redistricting.

They chose to empower the people who live in apartments and condos on the corridors over the single family homeowners who have controlled these commissions for decades. You are just upset about being relegated to the status of a regular, rather than entitled, property owner.

If that is the case, then the task force went rogue and substituted their personal preferences for their legal responsibility. Nothing in the DC Home Rule Act or the Council’s redistricting principles empowers an appointed task force to treat ANC redistricting as a personal white board exercise.

The principle of "one man, one vote" is hardly going rogue.

The reason why there is redistricting is to create SMDs of approximately equal size: one person, one vote.

Some of the task force’s internal emails reveal that the purpose behind the proposed split of long-established neighborhoods is to disenfranchise large parts of the community from having any voice in issues that affect the neighborhood. That’s not one person, one vote; it’s classic gerrymandering. At least one of the Council candidates is also saying this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

Wrong. The Mendelson map unites all of Woodley Park and Cleveland Park under one ANC. It fixes the problems created by the task force and creates compliant-sized SMDs while keeping cohesive neighborhoods together. It is a vast improvement over any other redistricting map.

Mendelson's map definitely screws over the rest of the ward to 'stop the split'. Check out ANC 3B, now covering Glover Park, past Wisconsin Avenue, through Woodland Normanstone, and on to the border of Woodley Park. That's ludicrous. There could be a map that keeps Cleveland Park whole without messing up all the other neighborhoods, but this isn't it.

It's surprising to me the reporting on this has only covered Cleveland Park, none on the resulting downside for all the other ANCs in the Ward. Whatever makes Cleveland Park politically powerful also makes it the star of every article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

Wrong. The Mendelson map unites all of Woodley Park and Cleveland Park under one ANC. It fixes the problems created by the task force and creates compliant-sized SMDs while keeping cohesive neighborhoods together. It is a vast improvement over any other redistricting map.

Mendelson's map definitely screws over the rest of the ward to 'stop the split'. Check out ANC 3B, now covering Glover Park, past Wisconsin Avenue, through Woodland Normanstone, and on to the border of Woodley Park. That's ludicrous. There could be a map that keeps Cleveland Park whole without messing up all the other neighborhoods, but this isn't it.

You’re looking at the wrong map. The final map fixes Woodley Park so that it is entirely within one ANC, 3C. It also fixes a problem created by the task force by ensuring that AU and the neighborhood that directly abuts it are in the same ANC so that common issues can be addressed.

It's surprising to me the reporting on this has only covered Cleveland Park, none on the resulting downside for all the other ANCs in the Ward. Whatever makes Cleveland Park politically powerful also makes it the star of every article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

Wrong. The Mendelson map unites all of Woodley Park and Cleveland Park under one ANC. It fixes the problems created by the task force and creates compliant-sized SMDs while keeping cohesive neighborhoods together. It is a vast improvement over any other redistricting map.

Mendelson's map definitely screws over the rest of the ward to 'stop the split'. Check out ANC 3B, now covering Glover Park, past Wisconsin Avenue, through Woodland Normanstone, and on to the border of Woodley Park. That's ludicrous. There could be a map that keeps Cleveland Park whole without messing up all the other neighborhoods, but this isn't it.

It's surprising to me the reporting on this has only covered Cleveland Park, none on the resulting downside for all the other ANCs in the Ward. Whatever makes Cleveland Park politically powerful also makes it the star of every article.

You’re looking at the wrong map. The final map fixes Woodley Park so that it is entirely within one ANC, 3C. It also fixes a problem created by the task force by ensuring that AU and the neighborhood that directly abuts it are in the same ANC so that common issues can be addressed.

That said, according to one of the task force members who voted against the task force map, certain task force members were focused on restructuring Cleveland Park from the beginning. It was a naked power grab by three appointees connected with the same smart growth vested interest group to shape favorable districts to elect like-minded commissioners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with the Mendelson map is that one commission -- 3D -- has 11 members and 3E and 3F each have 6 members. Since the government agencies generally give each commission equal weight, the residents who live in the biggest commission effectively have half the voice of those living in the smallest commissions.

The other big problem with it is that it leaves three commissions, B, C and D with HUGE areas with which to have oversight. It also cuts Woodley Park in really weird places that leave people who live either a block from Wisconsin Ave or CT Ave being in a commission that has purview over the other Avenue and no voice in the one they live close too - the same complaint that some Cleveland Park residents had of the Task Force map - so it was not ok to split Celveland Park, but it is ok to cut Woodley Park - that is hypocrisy at its finest.

Wrong. The Mendelson map unites all of Woodley Park and Cleveland Park under one ANC. It fixes the problems created by the task force and creates compliant-sized SMDs while keeping cohesive neighborhoods together. It is a vast improvement over any other redistricting map.

Mendelson's map definitely screws over the rest of the ward to 'stop the split'. Check out ANC 3B, now covering Glover Park, past Wisconsin Avenue, through Woodland Normanstone, and on to the border of Woodley Park. That's ludicrous. There could be a map that keeps Cleveland Park whole without messing up all the other neighborhoods, but this isn't it.

It's surprising to me the reporting on this has only covered Cleveland Park, none on the resulting downside for all the other ANCs in the Ward. Whatever makes Cleveland Park politically powerful also makes it the star of every article.

You’re looking at the wrong map. The final map fixes Woodley Park so that it is entirely within one ANC, 3C. It also fixes a problem created by the task force by ensuring that AU and the neighborhood that directly abuts it are in the same ANC so that common issues can be addressed.

That said, according to one of the task force members who voted against the task force map, certain task force members were focused on restructuring Cleveland Park from the beginning. It was a naked power grab by three appointees connected with the same smart growth vested interest group to shape favorable districts to elect like-minded commissioners.

I stand corrected, looks like 3B now stretches North rather than West
https://twitter.com/coreyholman/status/1533841904902754306

In my defense, Mendelson's weekend map was how I described it! This last minute stuff is bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This situation has turned into a real mess

Yes, it has. The Ward 3 task force has earned itself quite a reputation across the District and not in a good way. A number of the Councilmembers are ticked off to have to clean up the problems, the unforced errors that the task force has created. Mary Cheh portrays herself as a smart law professor. Did she mail to do due diligence on the people she appointed to the task force?

You have it backwards, lady. The only people upset with the Task Force map are the same people who have had an outsized voice in the Ward for the past 30 years, and they are upset that the single family homes will now be on par, rather than in a superior position, with the other voices in the Ward. So they went and cried to the Council Chair who catered to their position and came up with the last second map to try to salvage the status quo.

The map mendelson proposed has not been vetted by anyone, it has Single Member Disitricts that are both too big and too small according to the law.

The At-Large Councilmembers who run this process will not be supporting it, nor willl Mary Cheh, and, as a result, it will be voted down.

Let’s see: Mary Cheh appointed and essentially turned the Ward 3 redistricting pen over to the owner of Trump’s national polling firm, the longtime business partner of the guy who created the Willie Horton ad, and who worked with Paul Manafort and a Russian intel agent to stage a political comeback for a Putin ally in Ukraine. And people say Mendelson is somehow not democratic?

So I guess Tricia Duncan is in the bag. Are you opposing her Council run?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This situation has turned into a real mess

Yes, it has. The Ward 3 task force has earned itself quite a reputation across the District and not in a good way. A number of the Councilmembers are ticked off to have to clean up the problems, the unforced errors that the task force has created. Mary Cheh portrays herself as a smart law professor. Did she mail to do due diligence on the people she appointed to the task force?

You have it backwards, lady. The only people upset with the Task Force map are the same people who have had an outsized voice in the Ward for the past 30 years, and they are upset that the single family homes will now be on par, rather than in a superior position, with the other voices in the Ward. So they went and cried to the Council Chair who catered to their position and came up with the last second map to try to salvage the status quo.

The map mendelson proposed has not been vetted by anyone, it has Single Member Disitricts that are both too big and too small according to the law.

The At-Large Councilmembers who run this process will not be supporting it, nor willl Mary Cheh, and, as a result, it will be voted down.

Duncan’s association with the disastrous redistricting task force is a real political negative for her, which she probably regrets.

Let’s see: Mary Cheh appointed and essentially turned the Ward 3 redistricting pen over to the owner of Trump’s national polling firm, the longtime business partner of the guy who created the Willie Horton ad, and who worked with Paul Manafort and a Russian intel agent to stage a political comeback for a Putin ally in Ukraine. And people say Mendelson is somehow not democratic?

So I guess Tricia Duncan is in the bag. Are you opposing her Council run?