Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the maps -
https://www.uptownurbanist.com/blog/council-approves-ward-3-anc-map

Those are not the officially approved maps. Where’s a link to the DC government source?

This is from Bob Ward's blog and from previous posts on this board it seems like he alone draws the maps.

It’s quite outrageous and sad to watch what is happening in Ukraine and realize that only four years ago Ward was working to bring a Russian puppet politician (ex-Pres. Viktor Yanukovych) back to power, initially as head of a Russian Donbas “autonomous republic.” (Now, that’s a split.) And Ward somehow was made Ward 3’s Mr. Redistricting?!?

What?! How morally corrupt. I’m so tired of his soliloquies on the local list serves. Comes across as a demagogue with a thin veneer of “we know best for the people”. Where’s the investigative journalism? Let’s unmask the demimonde running in these elections so people have a fair choice. And make room for clean candidates

Fabrizio Ward & Associates LLC had a long association with Manafort and pro-Russian interests in Ukraine. The 2018 polling for Yanukovych in Donbas, Ukraine was only part of it. In 2012-2013, Fabrizio Ward was paid substantial sums by Manafort and Yanukovych’s Russia-aligned Party of Regions.
Lol, are you are the same crazy that posts on every listserver about this? We were talking about this person with our neighbors and we all decided to vote for whoever this person hated the most. So we all became duncan voters, since why not?

“Donbas Bob” Ward is campaigning for Beau Finley not Duncan.

Oh wait, there are two of you? There is a nut from foxhall that keeps screaming about random shit on the Glover Park listserv. Is there another one of you? Dammit, maybe I should've voted for that finley person.

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Fabrizio Ward & Associates LLC had a long association with Manafort and pro-Russian interests in Ukraine. The 2018 polling for ousted president Yanukovych in Donbas, Ukraine was only part of it. In 2012-2013, Fabrizio Ward was paid substantial sums by Manafort and Yanukovych’s Russia-aligned Party of Regions.

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Anonymous wrote:Therapy is good. There is no shame in seeking help if you need it.

Gosh, you are a one trick pony. Tiresome and ineffective

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Anonymous wrote:Fabrizio Ward & Associates LLC had a long association with Manafort and pro-Russian interests in Ukraine. The 2018 polling for ousted president Yanukovych in Donbas, Ukraine was only part of it. In 2012-2013, Fabrizio Ward was paid substantial sums by Manafort and Yanukovych’s Russia-aligned Party of Regions.

Wow.

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The architecture of the corner place by city ridge is a yawn in the photos (the last to be built). More urban loft yawn...

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Anonymous wrote:Therapy is good. There is no shame in seeking help if you need it.

I’m loathe to stoop to the level responding to this requires. But I will, only to point out that your mind conjured and then wrote in public about “molestation” by the “Palisades’ disabled” to try and lash out at persons sharing (inconvenient, but nonetheless) facts. It’s truly sickening.

I don’t want to report your post although I suspect you’re the one lashing out across the multiple boards always with being vile about supposed mental health of the people expressing your opinion. I want people to read it and know who you are the next time you try to derail a discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

Where was the “veto”? Cathedral Commons went from application to ground breaking in less than 2 years. A new store could have been built earlier, however. In the early 2000s Giant signed an agreement with Mayor Williams’ administration and a local community organization to construct a new store but Giant then reneged on the agreement.

What’s interesting, as you point out, is that City Ridge was built more or less as matter of right (except that the Fannie building was landmarked). Yet the overall design and public amenities (such as the Wisconsin green) are far superior to Cathedral Commons. CC was built as a PUD. Because Giant-Bozzuto sought a variance from zoning, that means that the PUD was supposed to contain offsetting public amenities. Other PUDs have had parks, theater space, etc as public amenities. The only thing of note that Cathedral Commons offered was a puny waterfall feature opposite the CVS. Don’t try to look too hard for it. The water feature was turned off several years ago and what was supposed to have been a public pocket space has been effectively privatized as outdoor restaurant space. Park Van Ness, built by BF Saul, was another example of a matter of right development with superior design. What seems clear is that some developers care about design and public amenities (and keeping their commitments), and others will throw up the cheapest design they can get away with.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

Where was the “veto”? Cathedral Commons went from application to ground breaking in less than 2 years. A new store could have been built earlier, however. In the early 2000s Giant signed an agreement with Mayor Williams’ administration and a local community organization to construct a new store but Giant then reneged on the agreement.

What’s interesting, as you point out, is that City Ridge was built more or less as matter of right (except that the Fannie building was landmarked). Yet the overall design and public amenities (such as the Wisconsin green) are far superior to Cathedral Commons. CC was built as a PUD. Because Giant-Bozzuto sought a variance from zoning, that means that the PUD was supposed to contain offsetting public amenities. Other PUDs have had parks, theater space, etc as public amenities. The only thing of note that Cathedral Commons offered was a puny waterfall feature opposite the CVS. Don’t try to look too hard for it. The water feature was turned off several years ago and what was supposed to have been a public pocket space has been effectively privatized as outdoor restaurant space. Park Van Ness, built by BF Saul, was another example of a matter of right development with superior design. What seems clear is that some developers care about design and public amenities (and keeping their commitments), and others will throw up the cheapest design they can get away with.

Privatized as an outdoor restaurant storage area.

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Anonymous wrote:Therapy is good. There is no shame in seeking help if you need it.

I’m loathe to stoop to the level responding to this requires. But I will, only to point out that your mind conjured and then wrote in public about “molestation” by the “Palisades’ disabled” to try and lash out at persons sharing (inconvenient, but nonetheless) facts. It’s truly sickening.

I don’t want to report your post although I suspect you’re the one lashing out across the multiple boards always with being vile about supposed mental health of the people expressing your opinion. I want people to read it and know who you are the next time you try to derail a discussion.

Let’s make sure that the original, vile and deranged comments don’t get lost, shall we? It’s objectively pretty sick.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/570/1034961.page#22818967

I think the Palisades nimbys did Safeway a favor. That neighborhood is in decline. They left at the right time.

Having said that I hope the neighbors enjoy the ambulances that will soon join the planes at that location with the planned dementia ward

And all because they didn’t want apartment-dwellers

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Not vile. Facts and opinion based on the facts.

Using “shall we” after exposing yourself (the dcum equivalent), a civilized person dies not make

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Anonymous wrote:Not vile. Facts and opinion based on the facts.

Using “shall we” after exposing yourself (the dcum equivalent), a civilized person dies not make

Is it your belief that having a facility in your community for in-patient dementia care is equivalent to airplane noise? That’s what they said.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

Where was the “veto”? Cathedral Commons went from application to ground breaking in less than 2 years. A new store could have been built earlier, however. In the early 2000s Giant signed an agreement with Mayor Williams’ administration and a local community organization to construct a new store but Giant then reneged on the agreement.

What’s interesting, as you point out, is that City Ridge was built more or less as matter of right (except that the Fannie building was landmarked). Yet the overall design and public amenities (such as the Wisconsin green) are far superior to Cathedral Commons. CC was built as a PUD. Because Giant-Bozzuto sought a variance from zoning, that means that the PUD was supposed to contain offsetting public amenities. Other PUDs have had parks, theater space, etc as public amenities. The only thing of note that Cathedral Commons offered was a puny waterfall feature opposite the CVS. Don’t try to look too hard for it. The water feature was turned off several years ago and what was supposed to have been a public pocket space has been effectively privatized as outdoor restaurant space. Park Van Ness, built by BF Saul, was another example of a matter of right development with superior design. What seems clear is that some developers care about design and public amenities (and keeping their commitments), and others will throw up the cheapest design they can get away with.

if the NIMBYs hadn't raised a ruckus, a new Giant could have opened in 2001 with a parking garage on the old surface parking lot and store front openings on Wisconsin Avenue. Why they fought that, protracted the project for 15 years and ended up with a multi-block development is beyond me.

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Anonymous wrote:Not vile. Facts and opinion based on the facts.

Using “shall we” after exposing yourself (the dcum equivalent), a civilized person dies not make

Is it your belief that having a facility in your community for in-patient dementia care is equivalent to airplane noise? That’s what they said.

Again, this. I though you were meant to learn this lesson several posts ago. No PP posts never said that.

You created alternative facts to get faux outraged and spew some of the most disturbing bile I have ever read on dcum.

Worth repeating:
Blocked density apartment building w grocery (fact plus community comments at the time literally said we don’t want apartment people)
Got a memory ward facility and no grocery instead (fact plus community comments complained event worse, but the horse bolted)
Likely to get more noise to add to the objective plane noise (opinion based in fact)
Community is not better off (fact), but likely to decline further (fact based in opinion)
Community should have not blocked the first proposal, but Safeway is better off and good for the memory ward (opinion)
Currently blocking schools and gaslighting people on the flight path (fact)

All legit, not vile. (Fact)