Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

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Anonymous wrote:Not vile. Facts and opinion based on the facts.

Using “shall we” after exposing yourself (the dcum equivalent), a civilized person dies not make

Is it your belief that having a facility in your community for in-patient dementia care is equivalent to airplane noise? That’s what they said.

Again, this. I though you were meant to learn this lesson several posts ago. No PP posts never said that.

You created alternative facts to get faux outraged and spew some of the most disturbing bile I have ever read on dcum.

Worth repeating:
Blocked density apartment building w grocery (fact plus community comments at the time literally said we don’t want apartment people)
Got a memory ward facility and no grocery instead (fact plus community comments complained event worse, but the horse bolted)
Likely to get more noise to add to the objective plane noise (opinion based in fact)
Community is not better off (fact), but likely to decline further (fact based in opinion)
Community should have not blocked the first proposal, but Safeway is better off and good for the memory ward (opinion)
Currently blocking schools and gaslighting people on the flight path (fact)

All legit, not vile. (Fact)

I will just keep reposting what they (or you?) said. You want to defend the indefensible, good luck.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/570/1034961.page#22818967

I think the Palisades nimbys did Safeway a favor. That neighborhood is in decline. They left at the right time.

Having said that I hope the neighbors enjoy the ambulances that will soon join the planes at that location with the planned dementia ward

And all because they didn’t want apartment-dwellers

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Standing by it. Nothing rude, you though spoke of the molestation by disabled Palisaders and calling others crazy. Your language is deplorable and the thinking it shows is shocking. No reason to engage with you other than to help you think next time. Or don’t. It’s amusing to watch this car crash

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Just to help people follow, here is what you said:

“Did a disabled person from Palisades molest you as a child or something? Because I’m not sure why you have the animus towards both that community and feel that having disabled people in proximity is negative burden. Have you considered therapy?”

So yes, standing by my comments. The community and you especially have soul searching to do.

Now do us a favor and tell us who you’re endorsing. It will help the undecided.

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I never disparaged the memory ward. I never used the word disabled. I don’t think those thoughts. Let alone express myself in that manner.

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Anonymous wrote:I never disparaged the memory ward. I never used the word disabled. I don’t think those thoughts. Let alone express myself in that manner.

You consider housing for people with dementia a nuisance equivalent to airplane noise.

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Nope. Not what was said. What was said, you opposed density (I think it was 100 units) and chased Safeway out. It was because the apartment dwellers (these were the actual words many community members used) were not desired for density and cars etc (and other things, let’s not lie)

So you’re getting 130 units, no Safeway, and ambulance noise to add to the plane noise.

All facts.

WaPo: In 2014, Safeway, which owns the land, unveiled a plan to convert the lot it sits on into a mixed-used development. But a proposal to build about 100 condos in a five-story building in the quiet neighborhood of mostly single-family homes quickly drew fire.

And what a fire it was!!!

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It like arguing with a very vile Kellyanne Conway. Amusing, but really really disturbing.

So what are you going to do about the plane noise and no stores?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to help people follow, here is what you said:

“Did a disabled person from Palisades molest you as a child or something? Because I’m not sure why you have the animus towards both that community and feel that having disabled people in proximity is negative burden. Have you considered therapy?”

So yes, standing by my comments. The community and you especially have soul searching to do.

Now do us a favor and tell us who you’re endorsing. It will help the undecided.

Above again what the Palisades Kellyanne said. Before calling people crazy. Made my day.

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Also? How long will you protest the schools? If you win, I hope you get an industrial estate.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

Where was the “veto”? Cathedral Commons went from application to ground breaking in less than 2 years. A new store could have been built earlier, however. In the early 2000s Giant signed an agreement with Mayor Williams’ administration and a local community organization to construct a new store but Giant then reneged on the agreement.

What’s interesting, as you point out, is that City Ridge was built more or less as matter of right (except that the Fannie building was landmarked). Yet the overall design and public amenities (such as the Wisconsin green) are far superior to Cathedral Commons. CC was built as a PUD. Because Giant-Bozzuto sought a variance from zoning, that means that the PUD was supposed to contain offsetting public amenities. Other PUDs have had parks, theater space, etc as public amenities. The only thing of note that Cathedral Commons offered was a puny waterfall feature opposite the CVS. Don’t try to look too hard for it. The water feature was turned off several years ago and what was supposed to have been a public pocket space has been effectively privatized as outdoor restaurant space. Park Van Ness, built by BF Saul, was another example of a matter of right development with superior design. What seems clear is that some developers care about design and public amenities (and keeping their commitments), and others will throw up the cheapest design they can get away with.

if the NIMBYs hadn't raised a ruckus, a new Giant could have opened in 2001 with a parking garage on the old surface parking lot and store front openings on Wisconsin Avenue. Why they fought that, protracted the project for 15 years and ended up with a multi-block development is beyond me.

Too bad that Giant never build the plan that was agreed between then and the Williams Admin Office of Planning and the community association (the NIMBYs, as you call them, although they were pro-Giant’s plan. But then Alhold bought Giant and Ahold spent several years fighting securities fraud charges. As a result, they breached the agreement with the District and the community, and the store languished.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

Don’t worry. Cleveland Park Smart Growth and it’s partner Ward 3 Vision (Redistricting Tsar Ward is on the boards of both) will next turn their attention to making 34th Street a commercial, denser mixed-use corridor.

Good. I wish there was at least a corner store nearby. Not sure why people get a veto on what their neighbor does with their own property. If they want to build a few apartments, why shouldn't they? It is their land.

Have you tried walking a few blocks to Wisconsin or Connecticut? There already are tons of stores nearby.

It’s crazy how lazy this person is that they seem incapable of walking 2 blocks. It’s also clear that they don’t live nearby or else they would understand the public health nuisance issue first hand. There is already a massive rat problem and attracting more rats closer to people homes just so one person doesn’t have to walk 2 blocks is bonkers.

Also, DC is “over stored”. If your desired goal is to keep the Wisconsin corridor vibrant, adding retail on 34th would be anathema.

There’s likely to be a retail shake out once Wegmans opens. For example, Wegmans’ retail offerings are so extensive that they can outcompete Giant on quality and even price for some items. Wegmans and City Ridge are much better designed than Cathedral Commons a few blocks to the south, and people will want to spend time at City Ridge. Giant will struggle and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s closed at that location in 5 years. It would be a shame if it became a Dollar General or Planet Fitness, but it’s hard to see many customers sticking with Giant when Wegmans is so close by.

Man, they should've built 10 stories of apartments on top of the Giant when they had the chance. I wonder why they didn't?

Luckily, Wegmans/City Ridge didn't make that mistake and didn't care about the complaints of nearby homeowners.

Bozzuto and Giant should have hired real architects to design their project, the way City Ridge did.

It sounds like nobody could stop city ridge, but the neighbors got an effective veto over Giant/Cathedral. I find it hilarious that everyone becomes an architectural critic at zoning meetings.

Where was the “veto”? Cathedral Commons went from application to ground breaking in less than 2 years. A new store could have been built earlier, however. In the early 2000s Giant signed an agreement with Mayor Williams’ administration and a local community organization to construct a new store but Giant then reneged on the agreement.

What’s interesting, as you point out, is that City Ridge was built more or less as matter of right (except that the Fannie building was landmarked). Yet the overall design and public amenities (such as the Wisconsin green) are far superior to Cathedral Commons. CC was built as a PUD. Because Giant-Bozzuto sought a variance from zoning, that means that the PUD was supposed to contain offsetting public amenities. Other PUDs have had parks, theater space, etc as public amenities. The only thing of note that Cathedral Commons offered was a puny waterfall feature opposite the CVS. Don’t try to look too hard for it. The water feature was turned off several years ago and what was supposed to have been a public pocket space has been effectively privatized as outdoor restaurant space. Park Van Ness, built by BF Saul, was another example of a matter of right development with superior design. What seems clear is that some developers care about design and public amenities (and keeping their commitments), and others will throw up the cheapest design they can get away with.

if the NIMBYs hadn't raised a ruckus, a new Giant could have opened in 2001 with a parking garage on the old surface parking lot and store front openings on Wisconsin Avenue. Why they fought that, protracted the project for 15 years and ended up with a multi-block development is beyond me.

Too bad that Giant never build the plan that was agreed between then and the Williams Admin Office of Planning and the community association (the NIMBYs, as you call them, although they were pro-Giant’s plan. But then Alhold bought Giant and Ahold spent several years fighting securities fraud charges. As a result, they breached the agreement with the District and the community, and the store languished.

Totally true. The only residents that fought a grocery store because they didn’t want apartment dwellers walking the same streets in DC are in the Palisades. They even tried to designate the Safeway historic — turned down unanimously. Have you all seen the old Safeway? As far as Safeways goes pretty gross and yet they fought the improvement for years.

Safeway left Guess who lost?

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Anonymous wrote:I never disparaged the memory ward. I never used the word disabled. I don’t think those thoughts. Let alone express myself in that manner.

You consider housing for people with dementia a nuisance equivalent to airplane noise.

Enough with Kellyanning already

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I also heard that the Palisaders fought a basketball court and pool in the new/renovated rec center. What’s that about? Don’t want basketball players and kids who swim in the public pools?

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Needless to say, neither got built.

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Anonymous wrote:Task Force member Robert Ward on his social media supports a “compromise” redistricting plan offered by At-large Council Member Silverman. But then Ward mocks her plan on his alter-ego Titter, “Cleveland Park Boomer.” Totally strange behavior for someone on the Ward 3 redistricting Task force.

It'd be odd behavior if Ward were Cleveland Park Boomer on Twitter, but he's not, so it's not strange behavior.

That Twitter account is clearly someone intentionally and not subtly mocking Cleveland Park homeowners. So of course it wouldn’t be odd or inconsistent that Bob Ward would be running the account.

The Boomer posts are at oddly coincidental times when Ward is posting under his own Twitter name and as “Cleveland Park in the City” (CP Smart Growth). Then there’s Uptown Urbanist. Nonstop smart growth spinning.