Is it time to have the difficult conversation about masks and MCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You do know that the Russian Trolls pretend to be BLM as much as they pretend to be MAGA, right?

They don't care about sides of an issue as long as they are sowing discontent.

It would be just as reasonable to accuse the mask-forever posts of being Russian Trolls (though the reality is that DCUM isn't worth trolling by Russia)

Russian or not, some group is regularly trolling here! And often not very adeptly.

Well yeah. I'm sure there are.

But its also too easy to dismiss any viewpoint you disagree with as "don't feed the trolls"

For example, I would like to see the mask mandate lifted in schools, especially at the HS level where kids are vaccinated.

So when I see a post that says "we should always keep the mask mandate, especially in the winter times, to avoid the flu", its easy for me to think that's a troll. But it's probably not.

Same with the reverse. We need to accept that there are differing opinions in the community and reject the idea that anybody that disagrees with us is just some "paid imposter that is not from the community"

High schools are still having positives. Masking is important.

Sure thing, Russian Troll.

J/K. But you see my point? Too easy to just call you a troll.

But really, positive cases are no longer the metric we need to worry about.

I am not calling anyone a troll but saying positives don’t matter is very trolling as it is important to stop community spread. Look at the md Covid in school and there are lots of outbreaks. You sound like a trolling Covid denier. .

No, cases aren't the relevant metrics bc it lacks nuance.

To be honest, I wish we had a way to measure the severity of cases between asymptomatic and hospitalizations. Bc right now, it really does feel like we're trying to reach a level of 'no disease.'

If you have a case, but don't show symptoms, are you really sick? It's a fair question. And that's a lot of what we are dealing with in our community, due to the high vax rate (which is a REALLY REALLY good thing)

We are average about 75 people in the hospital. That's what we need to focus on: severity of cases, and hospital availability. Which,btw, is what the goals were back when we started in March 2020.

We need to accept spread will happen. And only worry when we do not have capacity to treat

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know that the Russian Trolls pretend to be BLM as much as they pretend to be MAGA, right?

They don't care about sides of an issue as long as they are sowing discontent.

It would be just as reasonable to accuse the mask-forever posts of being Russian Trolls (though the reality is that DCUM isn't worth trolling by Russia)

Russian or not, some group is regularly trolling here! And often not very adeptly.

Well yeah. I'm sure there are.

But its also too easy to dismiss any viewpoint you disagree with as "don't feed the trolls"

For example, I would like to see the mask mandate lifted in schools, especially at the HS level where kids are vaccinated.

So when I see a post that says "we should always keep the mask mandate, especially in the winter times, to avoid the flu", its easy for me to think that's a troll. But it's probably not.

Same with the reverse. We need to accept that there are differing opinions in the community and reject the idea that anybody that disagrees with us is just some "paid imposter that is not from the community"

High schools are still having positives. Masking is important.

Sure thing, Russian Troll.

J/K. But you see my point? Too easy to just call you a troll.

But really, positive cases are no longer the metric we need to worry about.

I am not calling anyone a troll but saying positives don’t matter is very trolling as it is important to stop community spread. Look at the md Covid in school and there are lots of outbreaks. You sound like a trolling Covid denier. .

No, cases aren't the relevant metrics bc it lacks nuance.

To be honest, I wish we had a way to measure the severity of cases between asymptomatic and hospitalizations. Bc right now, it really does feel like we're trying to reach a level of 'no disease.'

If you have a case, but don't show symptoms, are you really sick? It's a fair question. And that's a lot of what we are dealing with in our community, due to the high vax rate (which is a REALLY REALLY good thing)

We are average about 75 people in the hospital. That's what we need to focus on: severity of cases, and hospital availability. Which,btw, is what the goals were back when we started in March 2020.

We need to accept spread will happen. And only worry when we do not have capacity to treat

I agree, and this thinking seems to be in line with what our pediatrician, Capitol Medical Group, sent out in this week's newsletter.

These metrics need to be changed, and even more so once our 5-11 year olds are vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

It would, but lots of maskless indoor Halloween gatherings may tip things upward again Thursday and Friday. Wait and see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

It would, but lots of maskless indoor Halloween gatherings may tip things upward again Thursday and Friday. Wait and see.

Yeah I observed a lot of potential Halloween super-spreader events the last few days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

It would, but lots of maskless indoor Halloween gatherings may tip things upward again Thursday and Friday. Wait and see.

I think you underestimate the number of maskless indoor events that have been happening the whole time. Like every weekend. This past weekend was really no different.

If anything, there were a lot of people last night there outdoors for ToT, when they normally would have been indoors with families and friends watching football

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

It would, but lots of maskless indoor Halloween gatherings may tip things upward again Thursday and Friday. Wait and see.

Maybe so (though a lot of these super spread events always end up to be nothing. football games, labor day parties, etc), but the clock will probably reset tomorrow. So even if it ticks up on Thursday or Friday, they will still need 5 more days of substantial spread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

Awesome! So glad we have these great representatives that are working to keep all of us safe even the anti-vaxers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

Awesome! So glad we have these great representatives that are working to keep all of us safe even the anti-vaxers!

Sigh. I think you misunderstood. The county council will be making it HARDER to re-instate the mask mandate. Which, I assume from your last post, you would interpret as making the community less-safe

[Anonymous]

"If you have a case, but don't show symptoms, are you really sick?" might be the stupidest post i've ever seen on DCUM. and that is saying ALOT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
"If you have a case, but don't show symptoms, are you really sick?" might be the stupidest post i've ever seen on DCUM. and that is saying ALOT.

+1000 the excuses people use to justify to themselves their behavior is ok is bizarre. And, they are putting others at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS will announce changes to quarantine rules tomorrow.

Well MoCo just reinstated the mask requirement because we regressed in terms of rate of infection in the tiny window where the indoor mask mandate was dropped. Go figure.

Specifically, the number of new cases over 7 days, per 100,000 residents, went like this:

10/26: 45.40
10/27: 44.83
10/28: 47.78
10/29: 50.63
10/30: 53.30
10/31: 51.78
11/1: 51.20

There are about 1.1 million residents in Montgomery County, so translated to total new cases over a 7-day period, it's about

10/26: 499
10/27: 493
10/28: 526
10/29: 557
10/30: 586
10/31: 570
11/1: 563

In other words, not a big difference.

From an epidemiological perspective it is. Because each of those cases has potential other cases attached due to the contagiousness of covid, and particularly Delta. Hence why the country is rescinding the mask free green light.

Gimme a break, the county is rescinding the mask because of VERY poorly written regulations, not because of community spread.

And in fact, it looks like it will not be rescinded; county councilmembers have hinted that they will be voting to change the regulation that triggers the return of the mask mandate, and instead will require 7 days of above 50 to institute the mandate, just like we need 7 days below in order to remove the mandate.

And given the VERY low numbers the last 2 days, it is likely it will dip back below 50 tomorrow, which would then cause that 7 day clock to reset.

Awesome! So glad we have these great representatives that are working to keep all of us safe even the anti-vaxers!

Sigh. I think you misunderstood. The county council will be making it HARDER to re-instate the mask mandate. Which, I assume from your last post, you would interpret as making the community less-safe

They aren't going to reinstate it. They are going to keep changing the rules to meet their needs.

Screaming about people not being vaccinated is bizarre when we have one of the highest rates of vaccination in the country. People are justifying their bad behavior. And, when kids are vaccinated and we still have the numbers, then what will the excuse be? You can still get covid vaccinated so the mask mandates are important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
"If you have a case, but don't show symptoms, are you really sick?" might be the stupidest post i've ever seen on DCUM. and that is saying ALOT.

i don't know. Seems a lot like common sense to me.

If you aren't stuffy, don't have a sore throat, not tired, do you actually have that cold?