Is your MCSL pool doing B meets this year?

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Yes, they can take times during practices and compare to the previous A meet’s times.

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The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'
This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

A meets are based on the previous weeks times. So, no b meet, then it’s probably only 3 kids for the meets who don’t even practice with the team.


not necessarily true - A meets are the fastest times period, if you swim your fastest on =June 18, and no one ever beats that time, even you, you keep your slot on the A team. Team trials are often your fastest race of the season, especially for the younger kids and those that are # 5 & 6 for free style.

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The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

A meets are based on the previous weeks times. So, no b meet, then it’s probably only 3 kids for the meets who don’t even practice with the team.


not necessarily true - A meets are the fastest times period, if you swim your fastest on =June 18, and no one ever beats that time, even you, you keep your slot on the A team. Team trials are often your fastest race of the season, especially for the younger kids and those that are # 5 & 6 for free style.
but you are right that B meets are the only time to improve your time.

Our pool is doing intrasquad B meets only

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

Not a problem. Coaches can run time trials at practice.

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:We just joined a pool in moco this year and signed DD (8) up for swim team. Even if they don’t do meets I’m still ok with the money paid for the 3 practices a week. They also said they would have the kids race each other if no meets are allowed with other pools.

Why only 3 a week and not 5?

because the kids are broken into 2 groups within the age group. So 8 and under will either be mon/Weds/sat or tues/thurs/sat

That’s interesting. Thanks for elaborating.

I heard about this pool. All my friends who are members are furious.
They are not having any meets, A or B, and people are getting on wait lists for other pools. Bad management.

The kids of friends of ours swim at Carderock Springs. They are not too happy as the team is not participating in MCSL this year and by the time they were told it was too late to go elsewhere.

Its not too late to go anywhere. We just joined a pool this year and swim team. Just days ago.

It depends on the area. I heard that fees were already paid for that pool and then they announced no meets. Poormanagement.

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Anonymous wrote:We just joined a pool in moco this year and signed DD (8) up for swim team. Even if they don’t do meets I’m still ok with the money paid for the 3 practices a week. They also said they would have the kids race each other if no meets are allowed with other pools.

Why only 3 a week and not 5?

because the kids are broken into 2 groups within the age group. So 8 and under will either be mon/Weds/sat or tues/thurs/sat

That’s interesting. Thanks for elaborating.

I heard about this pool. All my friends who are members are furious.
They are not having any meets, A or B, and people are getting on wait lists for other pools. Bad management.

The kids of friends of ours swim at Carderock Springs. They are not too happy as the team is not participating in MCSL this year and by the time they were told it was too late to go elsewhere.

Its not too late to go anywhere. We just joined a pool this year and swim team. Just days ago.

It depends on the area. I heard that fees were already paid for that pool and then they announced no meets. Poormanagement.

We used to belong to CS and love the Cudas. I hope this is a big FU to the MCSL man,

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

Because you don’t want kids who can swim a fast breastroke with their toes turned inward illegally in the A meet. They will get disqualified I. The A meet because they are doing the strike illegally.

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Furthermore, the kids who did the event legally in an A meet are not going to be thrilled to be displaced by times achieved when there were no officials enforcing the rules. Often illegal strokes are not faster, but older kids do know ways to “cheat” and make themselves faster (multiple dolphin kicks off the wall in breastroke for instance)

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

Because you don’t want kids who can swim a fast breastroke with their toes turned inward illegally in the A meet. They will get disqualified I. The A meet because they are doing the strike illegally.

Are you saying that the coaches don’t know who is swimming a legal vs illegal stroke?

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

Because you don’t want kids who can swim a fast breastroke with their toes turned inward illegally in the A meet. They will get disqualified I. The A meet because they are doing the strike illegally.

Are you saying that the coaches don’t know who is swimming a legal vs illegal stroke?

dp- I'm a stroke and turn judge. I am responsible for watching 1/4 of the pool. If I was responsible for watching the full pool I would miss a lot more illegality especially on turns etc. The coaches are fully capable of being S & T- but they are also busy coaching, and doing all the other things they do. Last summer we did a bunch of in pool 'meets.' No officials, a coach timing (all the lanes) and no stroke and turn judges. The times were off significantly and lots of DQ's were missed. Fine for what we were doing- but not a real summer in any sense of the word and certainly not a good or fair way to seed an A meet. Another advantage to b meets with stroke and turn judges is that the coaches do get the DQ slips and can work with the child to correct what was wrong. Otherwise bad habits get more and more ingrained.

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

Because you don’t want kids who can swim a fast breastroke with their toes turned inward illegally in the A meet. They will get disqualified I. The A meet because they are doing the strike illegally.

Are you saying that the coaches don’t know who is swimming a legal vs illegal stroke?

dp- I'm a stroke and turn judge. I am responsible for watching 1/4 of the pool. If I was responsible for watching the full pool I would miss a lot more illegality especially on turns etc. The coaches are fully capable of being S & T- but they are also busy coaching, and doing all the other things they do. Last summer we did a bunch of in pool 'meets.' No officials, a coach timing (all the lanes) and no stroke and turn judges. The times were off significantly and lots of DQ's were missed. Fine for what we were doing- but not a real summer in any sense of the word and certainly not a good or fair way to seed an A meet. Another advantage to b meets with stroke and turn judges is that the coaches do get the DQ slips and can work with the child to correct what was wrong. Otherwise bad habits get more and more ingrained.

Yep. The the coaches can’t even be positioned correctly to make these calls for all of the lanes. PP’s ignorance underscores the need for mor B meet parents to get certified so they actually know what officials do.

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Anonymous wrote:A swimmers and B swimmers at our pool pay the same fee. In fact there are more B swimmers than A. I would be real pissed if only A swimmers got to attend meets.

Should year round swimmers get a discount if asked not to join practices? The team spends far more time in practice than in meets.

There really shouldn’t be separate A teams & B teams. Those that qualify for A meets should be adjusted weekly based on current fastest times.

Exactly.

The thing is- if you don't do B meets, then most kids are not going to get a 'time' to get to be the 'current fastest time.'

This will be DCs (age 9) first real swim team summer. I know there are time trials before the 1st meet, but is that what determines who is A team for the rest of the season, or do they time the kids at some point during each week of practices to see their progress/assess who should be in that weekend’s A meet?

So limit the number of lanes or find parents who are officials for PVS or MCSL who can help monitor. 4 people watching 4 lanes would work, 2 on each end.
Every pool does this a little differently. You need to ask your swim team coach or A rep.

Pools have the option of running Several Wednesday night time trials. No visiting team, this maximizing swim opportunities for your own team. But this requires double the volunteers because you need to staff the entire meet. I’m a stroke and turn official (for 10 years) and I hate it. I stand in the sun every Saturday bored, unable to talk to anyone. Now, I’m going to be asked to do every Wednesday night too, even though my kids won’t be swimming Wednesday nights. So. . . if you want your B meets, get S&T qualified. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had ppl decline that request “it’s not my thing”, “I don’t want to disqualify people.” Yeah, not my thing either, I do it so the kids can swim, and we need reinforcements this summer if you want B meet swims.

I don't understand this. I understand why at an official meet, there need to be a bunch of officials. But if you're just having kids swim to see who got faster since the time trial at the beginning of the season, why do you need officially qualified people? Our coaches are clear that they can put whoever they want on the A meets. Usually it's the fastest kids, but they'll take into account other things, like who is the most consistent.

Because you don’t want kids who can swim a fast breastroke with their toes turned inward illegally in the A meet. They will get disqualified I. The A meet because they are doing the strike illegally.

Are you saying that the coaches don’t know who is swimming a legal vs illegal stroke?

dp- I'm a stroke and turn judge. I am responsible for watching 1/4 of the pool. If I was responsible for watching the full pool I would miss a lot more illegality especially on turns etc. The coaches are fully capable of being S & T- but they are also busy coaching, and doing all the other things they do. Last summer we did a bunch of in pool 'meets.' No officials, a coach timing (all the lanes) and no stroke and turn judges. The times were off significantly and lots of DQ's were missed. Fine for what we were doing- but not a real summer in any sense of the word and certainly not a good or fair way to seed an A meet. Another advantage to b meets with stroke and turn judges is that the coaches do get the DQ slips and can work with the child to correct what was wrong. Otherwise bad habits get more and more ingrained.

Yep. The the coaches can’t even be positioned correctly to make these calls for all of the lanes. PP’s ignorance underscores the need for mor B meet parents to get certified so they actually know what officials do.