Average kid in an Ivy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unimpressive kids who went Ivy from our children’s private high school were all URM and/or athletes. 100%. And it was obvious to everyone they were not in or anywhere near the top bucket academically. Eye opening to all. And these were not poor URMs, I’m talking a blue-eyed “Hispanic” with a multi-millionaire dad and a Black teen with two MD parents.

The smartest most overachieving URM I’ve seen there in 10 years was an authentic Hispanic gal with truly middle class parents, who went to UVA. I think she pursued marine biology.

URM is URM as far as schools are concerned. You could be the son of two MIT PhDs with a dad making millions and a SAHM mom and you check the box. The white son of West Virginia (or even worse western Virgina because no geographic diversity bump) or a single mom working multiple jobs does not check the box.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's entirely possible for someone to get in on the basis of an invented sob story that isn't checked. Recently read essays for a scholarship in my home town and people wrote about their dad the heroin addict and their identical twin that died and people in jail and refugees in camps and rafts and honestly a lot of it is compelling but we don't verify it and some of it could be fiction. The question is how many people are unscrupulous enough to invent a family tragedy or claim they have cancer etc. I think there are more sociopaths in our midst than we suspect.

And you are pulling this right out of your bottom. There is no evidence to believe what you believe.

Not saying a kid can't lie on his essays -- but you forget about references, relationships with GCs, and you ignore how hard adcoms - particularly at the ivies where there is so much scrutiny -- work to admit the right kids. I guarantee you not only can they spot BS after readying tens of thousands of essays, they know when they have to check and when they don't. Takes one phone call.

I don't know. I remember seeing this story several years ago about a guy who was a master fantasist: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/5/17/wheeler-harvard-wheelers-applications/
Here's a more recent case: https://www.salon.com/2020/10/30/texas-gop-senator-didnt-graduate-from-oxford-university-law-program-as-claimed-in-prior-campaign/
Here's another one:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2450806/Top-city-lawyer-lied-Oxford-Harvard-degrees-quits.html

These are just the ones we know about. I suspect there are a lot of people walking around who are claiming to be something they are not.

[Anonymous]

Unimpressive frauds can only hide so long. The overachievers at less prestigious schools will out work, out earn and be more successful in the end. The Ivy cachet and connections are wasted on charity cases. This is evident by graduation and always clear by who the kid marries. Hint: they don’t marry another Ivy alum, because they were shunned on campus by everyone with a brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unimpressive frauds can only hide so long. The overachievers at less prestigious schools will out work, out earn and be more successful in the end. The Ivy cachet and connections are wasted on charity cases. This is evident by graduation and always clear by who the kid marries. Hint: they don’t marry another Ivy alum, because they were shunned on campus by everyone with a brain.

I take it you neither went to an IVY nor an elite SLAC. Hint, some underachievers luck into great first jobs, some super intelligent classmates do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unimpressive kids who went Ivy from our children’s private high school were all URM and/or athletes. 100%. And it was obvious to everyone they were not in or anywhere near the top bucket academically. Eye opening to all. And these were not poor URMs, I’m talking a blue-eyed “Hispanic” with a multi-millionaire dad and a Black teen with two MD parents.

The smartest most overachieving URM I’ve seen there in 10 years was an authentic Hispanic gal with truly middle class parents, who went to UVA. I think she pursued marine biology.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. There are Hispanics of every race and eye color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unimpressive kids who went Ivy from our children’s private high school were all URM and/or athletes. 100%. And it was obvious to everyone they were not in or anywhere near the top bucket academically. Eye opening to all. And these were not poor URMs, I’m talking a blue-eyed “Hispanic” with a multi-millionaire dad and a Black teen with two MD parents.

The smartest most overachieving URM I’ve seen there in 10 years was an authentic Hispanic gal with truly middle class parents, who went to UVA. I think she pursued marine biology.

Same at our top NOVA public. The URMs are hardly underprivileged and the athletes aren’t thaaat great. But they beat out those with more rigorous loads, better grades and scores. and equivalent or better ECs (they’re just not sports).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's entirely possible for someone to get in on the basis of an invented sob story that isn't checked. Recently read essays for a scholarship in my home town and people wrote about their dad the heroin addict and their identical twin that died and people in jail and refugees in camps and rafts and honestly a lot of it is compelling but we don't verify it and some of it could be fiction. The question is how many people are unscrupulous enough to invent a family tragedy or claim they have cancer etc. I think there are more sociopaths in our midst than we suspect.

And you are pulling this right out of your bottom. There is no evidence to believe what you believe.

Not saying a kid can't lie on his essays -- but you forget about references, relationships with GCs, and you ignore how hard adcoms - particularly at the ivies where there is so much scrutiny -- work to admit the right kids. I guarantee you not only can they spot BS after readying tens of thousands of essays, they know when they have to check and when they don't. Takes one phone call.

I don't know. I remember seeing this story several years ago about a guy who was a master fantasist: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/5/17/wheeler-harvard-wheelers-applications/
Here's a more recent case: https://www.salon.com/2020/10/30/texas-gop-senator-didnt-graduate-from-oxford-university-law-program-as-claimed-in-prior-campaign/
Here's another one:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2450806/Top-city-lawyer-lied-Oxford-Harvard-degrees-quits.html

These are just the ones we know about. I suspect there are a lot of people walking around who are claiming to be something they are not.

You should read your links before you post them. Two refer to people who lied about where they went, not to get admitted as they WERE NOT ADMITTED - the opposite of your point.

The third was a student who forged documents, including transcripts and recommendations, not just "invented a sob story". Also, he was caught.

So yes, you do know, you can't get admitted by lying your way in with a sob story if you don't have the relevant qualifications. It just doesn't happen with any statistical significance. Don't try it and don't be bitter thinking others do and succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unimpressive kids who went Ivy from our children’s private high school were all URM and/or athletes. 100%. And it was obvious to everyone they were not in or anywhere near the top bucket academically. Eye opening to all. And these were not poor URMs, I’m talking a blue-eyed “Hispanic” with a multi-millionaire dad and a Black teen with two MD parents.

The smartest most overachieving URM I’ve seen there in 10 years was an authentic Hispanic gal with truly middle class parents, who went to UVA. I think she pursued marine biology.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. There are Hispanics of every race and eye color.

maybe not, but it is considered URM by most colleges with the lower standards that go along with the designation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unimpressive frauds can only hide so long. The overachievers at less prestigious schools will out work, out earn and be more successful in the end. The Ivy cachet and connections are wasted on charity cases. This is evident by graduation and always clear by who the kid marries. Hint: they don’t marry another Ivy alum, because they were shunned on campus by everyone with a brain.

I take it you neither went to an IVY nor an elite SLAC. Hint, some underachievers luck into great first jobs, some super intelligent classmates do not.

You see what you want to see. Those who enter in the bottom of the class generally finish in the bottom - academically, socially and professionally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unimpressive frauds can only hide so long. The overachievers at less prestigious schools will out work, out earn and be more successful in the end. The Ivy cachet and connections are wasted on charity cases. This is evident by graduation and always clear by who the kid marries. Hint: they don’t marry another Ivy alum, because they were shunned on campus by everyone with a brain.

I take it you neither went to an IVY nor an elite SLAC. Hint, some underachievers luck into great first jobs, some super intelligent classmates do not.

You see what you want to see. Those who enter in the bottom of the class generally finish in the bottom - academically, socially and professionally.

not really, there are plenty of people who are terrible academically but great socially and great at selling themselves. There are also great students who never learn how to grow up and stop being a student

[Anonymous]

If you look at all the protesting and anger before Corona on selective campuses it was largely kids who really didn’t deserve to be there and felt like lower capacity outcasts. They’re displacing their angrier and inferiority complex onto others. Imagine being at an Ivy — essentially winning the life lottery — and being angry about anything.

[Anonymous]

you really are delusional. do you think that all of those super committed kids who graduate at the top of their class while balancing hours upon hours of ECs suddenly stop caring about those issues when they get to campus? Those kids still care and the still get involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unimpressive kids who went Ivy from our children’s private high school were all URM and/or athletes. 100%. And it was obvious to everyone they were not in or anywhere near the top bucket academically. Eye opening to all. And these were not poor URMs, I’m talking a blue-eyed “Hispanic” with a multi-millionaire dad and a Black teen with two MD parents.

The smartest most overachieving URM I’ve seen there in 10 years was an authentic Hispanic gal with truly middle class parents, who went to UVA. I think she pursued marine biology.

Same at our top NOVA public. The URMs are hardly underprivileged and the athletes aren’t thaaat great. But they beat out those with more rigorous loads, better grades and scores. and equivalent or better ECs (they’re just not sports).

Who cares, really? I went to an Ivy (two, actually) and they are just schools. Branch out and tour a wider range of colleges and universities and you see what great places they can be to get an education (and, honestly, a college town like Ann Arbor or Athens has it all over New Haven).

Of course, the Ivies still seem to have a stranglehold in the public imagination for certain cohorts, but there is so much more out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you look at all the protesting and anger before Corona on selective campuses it was largely kids who really didn’t deserve to be there and felt like lower capacity outcasts. They’re displacing their anger and inferiority complex onto others. Imagine being at an Ivy — essentially winning the life lottery — and being angry about anything.

...now imagine being the dumbest in every class and lacking the ability to keep up as everyone on campus runs circles around you. Seething.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you look at all the protesting and anger before Corona on selective campuses it was largely kids who really didn’t deserve to be there and felt like lower capacity outcasts. They’re displacing their angrier and inferiority complex onto others. Imagine being at an Ivy — essentially winning the life lottery — and being angry about anything.

All the kids admitted deserved to be there by virtue that they fulfilled the only criteria: they got admitted.

Admission to an ivy is not a lottery or comparable to one, nor is it a guarantee of success in the future.

Your bitterness is sad, pathetic, probably racist, and holding you back in life, and you need to let go of it all.

Now that we have established why you are a sicko, let me add why you are an idiot:

Most colleges work hard to admit principled, ambitious, proactive, and committed young people, exactly the kind that are not afraid to try and change things that need changing. Meanwhile, people like you sit in your barcalounger and say "Why should I be angry when I have 175 channels of cable and a full bag of cheetos"?

And you wonder why you weren't admitted. Now you know!