Average kid in an Ivy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t David Hogg attend Harvard after being rejected by San Diego State University? What does that tell you?

If you write like this you really can't comment on anyone's education.

[Anonymous]

This thread is really ugly. I think some people are incredibly bitter and angry about a few random 18 year old kids.

I really hope these posters have some peace in life and aren’t this angry about everything

[Anonymous]

You just don’t know the whole story sometimes. I know an average kid at an ivy and it turned out their rich uncle had donated a building to the university. Or there was the kid who had a parent who worked for the president and was able to get a reference letter for the kid from the president. Harvard has a huge legacy advantage. I know someone very average who graduated from Princeton but then she mentioned she had legacy status there going back many generations. Her sister, dad, grandfather, uncle, great grandfather, etc went there. Others I knew used Ivy Coach to help prep their applications. There are many back doors into the Ivy schools

[Anonymous]

Eh, Brown, and Cornell, too, actually, are the bottom of the Ivy League anyway, so who cares?

And what’s with the poster who keep writing “IVY” with all caps? What’s going on with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t David Hogg attend Harvard after being rejected by San Diego State University? What does that tell you?

You know the old saying, "If you gotta ask..." But to answer anyway:

It tells you Harvard is looking for future leaders and not current SAT scores.

It's quite simple and if you have to ask that question and think you are making some kind of point, then you totally don't get elite college admissions at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh, Brown, and Cornell, too, actually, are the bottom of the Ivy League anyway, so who cares?

And what’s with the poster who keep writing “IVY” with all caps? What’s going on with that?

Your writing skills are atrocious which renders your opinion worthless.......go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently a lot of people in these threads have never been to an ivy league school. I got a PhD in an ivy league school and taught classes to undergraduates there, as well as sat in some classes with graduate and undergraduate students (some large lectures are blended with a phd seminar component tacked on). I can assure you that there are MANY *average* students in the ivies, and that many of them are not rich or entitled. How did they get in? Well, I'm ballparking the ivies taking in 20k students per year and it just turns out that we don't have 20k stellar people in the united states each year. Go figure.

Apparently a lot of people don’t have to take statistics to get an Ivy League PhD.

20,000 students out of 3.7 million graduating each year... that’s a definition of “average” I was never taught.

Actually one of my phd concentrations was in statistics. I've taken seven probability and statistics courses. And I'm telling you that the ivy league is unable to recruit 20k stellar people in the united states each year. I saw it with my own eyes over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently a lot of people in these threads have never been to an ivy league school. I got a PhD in an ivy league school and taught classes to undergraduates there, as well as sat in some classes with graduate and undergraduate students (some large lectures are blended with a phd seminar component tacked on). I can assure you that there are MANY *average* students in the ivies, and that many of them are not rich or entitled. How did they get in? Well, I'm ballparking the ivies taking in 20k students per year and it just turns out that we don't have 20k stellar people in the united states each year. Go figure.

Apparently a lot of people don’t have to take statistics to get an Ivy League PhD.

20,000 students out of 3.7 million graduating each year... that’s a definition of “average” I was never taught.

Actually one of my phd concentrations was in statistics. I've taken seven probability and statistics courses. And I'm telling you that the ivy league is unable to recruit 20k stellar people in the united states each year. I saw it with my own eyes over and over again.

Lol. Sorry, I find this impossible to believe. Someone with a Ph D “concentration” in statistics would not use the word “average” in that cavalier and vernacular fashion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You just don’t know the whole story sometimes. I know an average kid at an ivy and it turned out their rich uncle had donated a building to the university. Or there was the kid who had a parent who worked for the president and was able to get a reference letter for the kid from the president. Harvard has a huge legacy advantage. I know someone very average who graduated from Princeton but then she mentioned she had legacy status there going back many generations. Her sister, dad, grandfather, uncle, great grandfather, etc went there. Others I knew used Ivy Coach to help prep their applications. There are many back doors into the Ivy schools

If you belong to a country club, I suppose you connect with a lot of that, people who think they are above it all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's entirely possible for someone to get in on the basis of an invented sob story that isn't checked. Recently read essays for a scholarship in my home town and people wrote about their dad the heroin addict and their identical twin that died and people in jail and refugees in camps and rafts and honestly a lot of it is compelling but we don't verify it and some of it could be fiction. The question is how many people are unscrupulous enough to invent a family tragedy or claim they have cancer etc. I think there are more sociopaths in our midst than we suspect.

And you are pulling this right out of your bottom. There is no evidence to believe what you believe.

Not saying a kid can't lie on his essays -- but you forget about references, relationships with GCs, and you ignore how hard adcoms - particularly at the ivies where there is so much scrutiny -- work to admit the right kids. I guarantee you not only can they spot BS after readying tens of thousands of essays, they know when they have to check and when they don't. Takes one phone call.

I'm the teacher who wrote about the student whose parents bribed and bullied to ensure their child got the grades and recs he needed (plus, they lied in the essay). 1. It was very easy for them to pay the teachers and counsellors to do this. This was an international school where the US/UK teachers received plus packages and the "local hires" received the equivalent of $500 per month, and local hires taught some core subject classes. I am sure there were some US/UK teachers who accepted the bribe money in that case as well, and I am sure there are also teachers in the US who would give grades or recs for enough money. 2. No, they didn't check to confirm the facts in the essay. I don't know how they could have done this, or what they might have expected for confirmation of this story. 3. The father was a high level diplomat, and I know he had his colleagues supplying reference as well.

The student was high average. He was also mean and disrespectful to teachers and peers, and participated in no extracurriculars in high school. His father got him one internship at the embassy during a summer, and he quit after a week. There were no hooks, and no, I don't think applying from overseas is a hook at all. I have been teaching in international schools for almost 15 years, and every year many students apply to US universities. Ivy acceptances seem to be rarer among these students than they were among the students I taught back when I lived in the US.

Having a parent who is a high level diplomat is a bit of a hook, actually. The kid has probably had interesting experiences through his life. Schools like this like to fill their classes with kids who have had varied life experiences since a big part of a college education is what you learn from your fellow students.

In addition, the parent could prove be a useful resource for the school.

Same could be said about anyone with excess money. The question is - is it right, and is it serving the greater good (or just serving an over zealous parent)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You just don’t know the whole story sometimes. I know an average kid at an ivy and it turned out their rich uncle had donated a building to the university. Or there was the kid who had a parent who worked for the president and was able to get a reference letter for the kid from the president. Harvard has a huge legacy advantage. I know someone very average who graduated from Princeton but then she mentioned she had legacy status there going back many generations. Her sister, dad, grandfather, uncle, great grandfather, etc went there. Others I knew used Ivy Coach to help prep their applications. There are many back doors into the Ivy schools

What ivy league college admits underqualified legacy applicants that are not also development admits or otherwise hooked? I don't think any do.
Legacy, at best, gets you knocked in off the fence before the thousands of other qualified applicants just like you.

Oh, and Ivy Coach cannot polish an application so that an average kid gets admitted to an elite school. No matter how much they charge. Nor can any other consultant. 0% chance.

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Anonymous wrote:You just don’t know the whole story sometimes. I know an average kid at an ivy and it turned out their rich uncle had donated a building to the university. Or there was the kid who had a parent who worked for the president and was able to get a reference letter for the kid from the president. Harvard has a huge legacy advantage. I know someone very average who graduated from Princeton but then she mentioned she had legacy status there going back many generations. Her sister, dad, grandfather, uncle, great grandfather, etc went there. Others I knew used Ivy Coach to help prep their applications. There are many back doors into the Ivy schools

What ivy league college admits underqualified legacy applicants that are not also development admits or otherwise hooked? I don't think any do.
Legacy, at best, gets you knocked in off the fence before the thousands of other qualified applicants just like you.

Oh, and Ivy Coach cannot polish an application so that an average kid gets admitted to an elite school. No matter how much they charge. Nor can any other consultant. 0% chance.

Please, tell us how you know....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently a lot of people in these threads have never been to an ivy league school. I got a PhD in an ivy league school and taught classes to undergraduates there, as well as sat in some classes with graduate and undergraduate students (some large lectures are blended with a phd seminar component tacked on). I can assure you that there are MANY *average* students in the ivies, and that many of them are not rich or entitled. How did they get in? Well, I'm ballparking the ivies taking in 20k students per year and it just turns out that we don't have 20k stellar people in the united states each year. Go figure.

Apparently a lot of people don’t have to take statistics to get an Ivy League PhD.

20,000 students out of 3.7 million graduating each year... that’s a definition of “average” I was never taught.

Actually one of my phd concentrations was in statistics. I've taken seven probability and statistics courses. And I'm telling you that the ivy league is unable to recruit 20k stellar people in the united states each year. I saw it with my own eyes over and over again.

Lol. Sorry, I find this impossible to believe. Someone with a Ph D “concentration” in statistics would not use the word “average” in that cavalier and vernacular fashion.

I don't care if you believe I have a PhD with a concentration in statistics or not. You're just a housewife on a mom website

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You just don’t know the whole story sometimes. I know an average kid at an ivy and it turned out their rich uncle had donated a building to the university. Or there was the kid who had a parent who worked for the president and was able to get a reference letter for the kid from the president. Harvard has a huge legacy advantage. I know someone very average who graduated from Princeton but then she mentioned she had legacy status there going back many generations. Her sister, dad, grandfather, uncle, great grandfather, etc went there. Others I knew used Ivy Coach to help prep their applications. There are many back doors into the Ivy schools

What ivy league college admits underqualified legacy applicants that are not also development admits or otherwise hooked? I don't think any do.
Legacy, at best, gets you knocked in off the fence before the thousands of other qualified applicants just like you.

Oh, and Ivy Coach cannot polish an application so that an average kid gets admitted to an elite school. No matter how much they charge. Nor can any other consultant. 0% chance.

Please, tell us how you know....

Because if there were secrets they wouldn't be secrets long. And yes, I have investigated many of these firms and ultimately chose not to hire them. A good, fair-priced consultant can add commensurate value, but there are no secrets, no shortcuts, and no tricks that are not known and frequently referred to here as hooks.

A few good admissions books, preferably written by former ivy adcoms, will be just as valuable and much cheaper.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently a lot of people in these threads have never been to an ivy league school. I got a PhD in an ivy league school and taught classes to undergraduates there, as well as sat in some classes with graduate and undergraduate students (some large lectures are blended with a phd seminar component tacked on). I can assure you that there are MANY *average* students in the ivies, and that many of them are not rich or entitled. How did they get in? Well, I'm ballparking the ivies taking in 20k students per year and it just turns out that we don't have 20k stellar people in the united states each year. Go figure.

Apparently a lot of people don’t have to take statistics to get an Ivy League PhD.

20,000 students out of 3.7 million graduating each year... that’s a definition of “average” I was never taught.

Actually one of my phd concentrations was in statistics. I've taken seven probability and statistics courses. And I'm telling you that the ivy league is unable to recruit 20k stellar people in the united states each year. I saw it with my own eyes over and over again.

Lol. Sorry, I find this impossible to believe. Someone with a Ph D “concentration” in statistics would not use the word “average” in that cavalier and vernacular fashion.

I don't care if you believe I have a PhD with a concentration in statistics or not. You're just a housewife on a mom website

And you are a liar who doesn't know what "average" means. Tells are tells! That's why lying is hard and best left to the gifted.