Another ivy folded

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By UPenn do you mean the school in Philadelphia often called simply Penn?

I think you know the answer to that. But there are too many out there on the internet who would confuse "Penn" with Penn State. Better to head the confusion off at the pass by adding the U in front.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By UPenn do you mean the school in Philadelphia often called simply Penn?

I think you know the answer to that. But there are too many out there on the internet who would confuse "Penn" with Penn State. Better to head the confusion off at the pass by adding the U in front.

I think you’re not telling the truth. That isn’t a thing. No one ever calls Penn State, Penn. could you imagine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UPenn reversed course and went fully online. Students are very upset. Not sure why the last minute change. They encouraged kids not to come to the area at all. Which ivys are left - Cornell, Columbia and Dartmouth?

Columbia is only having freshman and sophomores on campus in the fall. Everyone will be assigned a single in the dorms. In the spring, only juniors and seniors on campus. Faculty decide whether to teach online, hybrid, or in-person. Students can take classes over 3 terms - fall, spring and summer - at their discretion for the standard fall/spring tuition. So a junior could decide to take a minimal easy course load from home in the fall and then dive into more serious, smaller classes in-person on campus in the spring and summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By UPenn do you mean the school in Philadelphia often called simply Penn?

I think you know the answer to that. But there are too many out there on the internet who would confuse "Penn" with Penn State. Better to head the confusion off at the pass by adding the U in front.

Penn is the registered trademark of the university and is on all the stationery. The school's style guide says that Penn is the officially sanctioned term, but the website is upenn.edu and UPenn is permissible when necessary to distinguish it from other schools in the commonwealth. If you're snooty (old alumni, humanities faculty), staff or a current undergraduate, you use Penn, in part because UPenn sounds like a public school. Among grad students, especially international students in the professional schools, and high schoolers it's either/or.

https://thepenngazette.com/penn-v-upenn/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UPenn reversed course and went fully online. Students are very upset. Not sure why the last minute change. They encouraged kids not to come to the area at all. Which ivys are left - Cornell, Columbia and Dartmouth?

College dorm environment is the perfect environment for the virus to spread. The virus does not distinguish between ivy league or anywhere else.

Or, can it be sort of a bubble once they are all on campus? If they are there and stay there until Thanksgiving they aren’t coming and going couldn’t they quarantine and limit the spread? I wouldn’t expect no cases, but the contact tracing would be narrowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By UPenn do you mean the school in Philadelphia often called simply Penn?

I think you know the answer to that. But there are too many out there on the internet who would confuse "Penn" with Penn State. Better to head the confusion off at the pass by adding the U in front.

I think you’re not telling the truth. That isn’t a thing. No one ever calls Penn State, Penn. could you imagine?

Plenty of people do (not me).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UPenn reversed course and went fully online. Students are very upset. Not sure why the last minute change. They encouraged kids not to come to the area at all. Which ivys are left - Cornell, Columbia and Dartmouth?

College dorm environment is the perfect environment for the virus to spread. The virus does not distinguish between ivy league or anywhere else.

Or, can it be sort of a bubble once they are all on campus? If they are there and stay there until Thanksgiving they aren’t coming and going couldn’t they quarantine and limit the spread? I wouldn’t expect no cases, but the contact tracing would be narrowed.

NP. My DC's SLAC is doing just that--students can't leave campus at all, except for a medical emergency, the whole 12-week semester. The campus is self-contained and about 99 percent of students are in campus housing so it's much easier to say, don't leave campus. There's no Greek system that drives parties/rush events, plus no off-campus party opportunities/culture, and though the campus is in a small city, there are no bars/hangouts across from campus, just a tiny handful of restaurants. Students are plenty social and active, just not in the "step off campus and party in apartments/go to bars" way. All classes are available online but most will have an on-campus, in-person component, though DC is still waiting to hear details on each class (hasn't moved in just yet).

All to say--a small college with almost all students living on campus might make a mostly in-person return work. But we'll see. I think there's a good plan but student masking is going to have to hold up or that could be the Achilles' heel.

[Anonymous]

Are you really going to say exactly the same thing every time a major university goes online?

Again, you were told this would happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By UPenn do you mean the school in Philadelphia often called simply Penn?

I think you know the answer to that. But there are too many out there on the internet who would confuse "Penn" with Penn State. Better to head the confusion off at the pass by adding the U in front.

Penn is the registered trademark of the university and is on all the stationery. The school's style guide says that Penn is the officially sanctioned term, but the website is upenn.edu and UPenn is permissible when necessary to distinguish it from other schools in the commonwealth. If you're snooty (old alumni, humanities faculty), staff or a current undergraduate, you use Penn, in part because UPenn sounds like a public school. Among grad students, especially international students in the professional schools, and high schoolers it's either/or.

https://thepenngazette.com/penn-v-upenn/

Love this explanation. Thank you. Guess we have a lot of uptight folk on this board

[Anonymous]

Penn or UPenn - whatever! Either way it is still a lower ivy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your Ivy League kids can’t hack DL, they really are snow flakes.

Why are you paying $80k a year for DL, you bloody fools?

No one is going to pay anything for DL.

That's why University of Iowa, Ohio State, Oberlin, etc. are all having in person classes.

People will, however, pay $80k a year for an ivy diploma.

+100 the Education is the same. They’re paying for personal branding/marketing rights. One if two off years in the actual experience is inconsequential. If my kids were heading to business/finance/consulting/sales (ie fields where grad school isn’t necessary) I would totally pay for the brand too.

How do you know the education is the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Penn or UPenn - whatever! Either way it is still a lower ivy.

How pathetic that you live in a world where such distinctions seem important.

[Anonymous]

Ha, I’m old. In my days it was always UPenn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UPenn reversed course and went fully online. Students are very upset. Not sure why the last minute change. They encouraged kids not to come to the area at all. Which ivys are left - Cornell, Columbia and Dartmouth?

College dorm environment is the perfect environment for the virus to spread. The virus does not distinguish between ivy league or anywhere else.

Or, can it be sort of a bubble once they are all on campus? If they are there and stay there until Thanksgiving they aren’t coming and going couldn’t they quarantine and limit the spread? I wouldn’t expect no cases, but the contact tracing would be narrowed.

NP. My DC's SLAC is doing just that--students can't leave campus at all, except for a medical emergency, the whole 12-week semester. The campus is self-contained and about 99 percent of students are in campus housing so it's much easier to say, don't leave campus. There's no Greek system that drives parties/rush events, plus no off-campus party opportunities/culture, and though the campus is in a small city, there are no bars/hangouts across from campus, just a tiny handful of restaurants. Students are plenty social and active, just not in the "step off campus and party in apartments/go to bars" way. All classes are available online but most will have an on-campus, in-person component, though DC is still waiting to hear details on each class (hasn't moved in just yet).

All to say--a small college with almost all students living on campus might make a mostly in-person return work. But we'll see. I think there's a good plan but student masking is going to have to hold up or that could be the Achilles' heel.

I'm hopeful, but I tend to be optimistic anyhow. My DC's school has about 5,000 students, so not too large. I don't know how many are on campus vs off, but the town has a population around 5,000 also (gathered from a quick look online and I'm surprised the town is listed as having that many people). The county has a current positive test rate of 4.5% and an infection rate of 0.76% according to the Covid ActNow site.

Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your Ivy League kids can’t hack DL, they really are snow flakes.

Why are you paying $80k a year for DL, you bloody fools?

It is not $80k is there is no R&B.