As always, it seems people are split on opening

[Anonymous]

Partially open. No large gatherings or close situations. No schools until the fall but open daycare for those who need it.

That said, I will not be among you! I am going to keep staying home and careful until the inevitable bump happens. But you guys go ahead.

[Anonymous]

I’m waiting to see what happens in Georgia. Ask me again in four weeks

[Anonymous]

OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

I'm so sick of hearing this.

If you drive and get in an accident, you forego medical care!

If you EVER have a sip of alcohol, you forego medical care!

If you paint your nails, you forego medical care!

Everything is a risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

I don’t get PP’s line of thinking. Kids with peanut allergies still go to school even though kids at other tables in the lunch room can still bring PB&J. People take PB&J to Public picnic spots where people with allergies may sit. Are kids or adults with peanut butter allergies denied health care because they dared to venture into the world?

I’m pro social distancing, and except for trips to the grocery store every two weeks, we’ve not socialized outside our household. (I see a ton of neighbors in NoVA socializing quite a bit when I’m out pulling weeds in my yard.). So I’m not advocating open everything up with intelligent precautions, but I am advocating that things open up more. Unlike DCUMlandia many people don’t have savings or jobs that can be done remotely. There is risk to living.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

I don’t get PP’s line of thinking. Kids with peanut allergies still go to school even though kids at other tables in the lunch room can still bring PB&J. People take PB&J to Public picnic spots where people with allergies may sit. Are kids or adults with peanut butter allergies denied health care because they dared to venture into the world?

I’m pro social distancing, and except for trips to the grocery store every two weeks, we’ve not socialized outside our household. (I see a ton of neighbors in NoVA socializing quite a bit when I’m out pulling weeds in my yard.). So I’m not advocating open everything up without intelligent precautions, but I am advocating that things open up more. Unlike DCUMlandia many people don’t have savings or jobs that can be done remotely. There is risk to living.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle ground. Open things gradually, in stages, with lots of restrictions.

I won't do playdates or camp this summer - too soon. But we may go to our neighborhood pool (have a membership) IF there are guidelines in place to make sure it won't be packed.

Same

Ditto

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to see what happens in Georgia. Ask me again in four weeks

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

Then help people. You have the time and resources

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

I'm so sick of hearing this.

If you drive and get in an accident, you forego medical care!

If you EVER have a sip of alcohol, you forego medical care!

If you paint your nails, you forego medical care!

Everything is a risk.

Not n the same scale. Use some sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

THis is a communicable disease--very different. Go to school, get an MPH or an MD, and then come rant about your armchair epidemiology skills

I think what PP means is that with every policy, policy makers have to do a cost benefit analysis to decide. There was an article a while back that was discussing just this. Since 40,000 people die from car accidents every year in the US should we limit speed to 5 miles per hour? The way policy makers decide about this is: 1) they give a value to lives lost ($1 or 10,000,000 for example) and they estimate the costs of such policy. In the case of speed limit, costs outweigh the benefits so we prefer to have 40,000 dead from traffic accidents instead of limiting the speed to 5 miles per hour.
I am sure policy makers are doing the same about COVID restrictions. Like it or not the VSL (value of a statistical life) is something policy makers think about all the time. It may very well be that soon the damage to the economy is greater than the lives lost and everything will reopen... we just don’t know

Oh really???? I’m a policy analyst.

[Anonymous]

Open things after deaths/new cases have declined sufficiently, and widespread testing and tracing are in place. This isn’t about do I like being locked down or not. What is that even supposed to mean?

[Anonymous]

As for the economy, the government should stop with the tax cuts to the rich and bailouts to huge corporations. They should make sure the little people have enough to come through intact. It would be a fraction of what is wasted on the rich These are all totally false choices — economy vs health, lockdown vs freedom. I fear for how uneducated our country has become that people actually think like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.

None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.

The virus has killed a lot of old people in nursing homes who didnt have a lot longer to live anyway. Car accidents, on the other hand, kill young people in the prime of their lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

THis is a communicable disease--very different. Go to school, get an MPH or an MD, and then come rant about your armchair epidemiology skills

I think what PP means is that with every policy, policy makers have to do a cost benefit analysis to decide. There was an article a while back that was discussing just this. Since 40,000 people die from car accidents every year in the US should we limit speed to 5 miles per hour? The way policy makers decide about this is: 1) they give a value to lives lost ($1 or 10,000,000 for example) and they estimate the costs of such policy. In the case of speed limit, costs outweigh the benefits so we prefer to have 40,000 dead from traffic accidents instead of limiting the speed to 5 miles per hour.
I am sure policy makers are doing the same about COVID restrictions. Like it or not the VSL (value of a statistical life) is something policy makers think about all the time. It may very well be that soon the damage to the economy is greater than the lives lost and everything will reopen... we just don’t know

Oh really???? I’m a policy analyst.

And that's all you have to add?