As always, it seems people are split on opening

[Anonymous]

What we need to do is keep pushing federal, state and local governments to get the testing and surveillance systems in place so we can go back out into the world with some reasonable assurance that localized outbreaks can be identified.

Our government has failed us and that is making all of this so much worse than it should be, and it would not be great under any circumstances.

Of course I want things to open up, particularly parks, schools and camps but frankly I don’t want to get this virus, not yet, not before they learn more about how to treat it. I can’t see going to a mall, movie, museum, public transportation, restaurant anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As for the economy, the government should stop with the tax cuts to the rich and bailouts to huge corporations. They should make sure the little people have enough to come through intact. It would be a fraction of what is wasted on the rich These are all totally false choices — economy vs health, lockdown vs freedom. I fear for how uneducated our country has become that people actually think like this.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we need to do is keep pushing federal, state and local governments to get the testing and surveillance systems in place so we can go back out into the world with some reasonable assurance that localized outbreaks can be identified.

Our government has failed us and that is making all of this so much worse than it should be, and it would not be great under any circumstances.

Of course I want things to open up, particularly parks, schools and camps but frankly I don’t want to get this virus, not yet, not before they learn more about how to treat it. I can’t see going to a mall, movie, museum, public transportation, restaurant anytime soon.

+1

[Anonymous]

Well the half that wants things opened up should be prepared to double their spending to keep the economy going. I’ll be home where it’s safe and saving my money because we are in the middle of a PANDEMIC. So please enjoy yourselves and spend, spend, spend!!!

[Anonymous]

Hey guys, those wanting pools to open . Pools are not safe, according to our local Health Dep., because of fecal matter traces which may contain the virus.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/04/23/dr-ezike-swimming-pools-are-not-safe-to-use-during-coronavirus-pandemic-because-of-fecal-shedding/

Unless you have your own pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

THis is a communicable disease--very different. Go to school, get an MPH or an MD, and then come rant about your armchair epidemiology skills

I think what PP means is that with every policy, policy makers have to do a cost benefit analysis to decide. There was an article a while back that was discussing just this. Since 40,000 people die from car accidents every year in the US should we limit speed to 5 miles per hour? The way policy makers decide about this is: 1) they give a value to lives lost ($1 or 10,000,000 for example) and they estimate the costs of such policy. In the case of speed limit, costs outweigh the benefits so we prefer to have 40,000 dead from traffic accidents instead of limiting the speed to 5 miles per hour.
I am sure policy makers are doing the same about COVID restrictions. Like it or not the VSL (value of a statistical life) is something policy makers think about all the time. It may very well be that soon the damage to the economy is greater than the lives lost and everything will reopen... we just don’t know

Oh really???? I’m a policy analyst.

And??? I have a PhD is Public policy... so? What is your point? Do you disagree? Anything to add? Not very eloquent for a policy analyst

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Anonymous wrote:Well the half that wants things opened up should be prepared to double their spending to keep the economy going. I’ll be home where it’s safe and saving my money because we are in the middle of a PANDEMIC. So please enjoy yourselves and spend, spend, spend!!!

Why do people feel the need to all caps this? To get that sweet, sweet attention?

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Anonymous wrote:OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

Not sure why someone would want to listen to a longtime SAHM’s opinion...

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Anonymous wrote:OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

Not sure why someone would want to listen to a longtime SAHM’s opinion...

Seriously. If she’s 44, the kids are in colleague, and she’s still a sahm then she needs to find a job

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Anonymous wrote:OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

Not sure why someone would want to listen to a longtime SAHM’s opinion...

Seriously. If she’s 44, the kids are in colleague, and she’s still a sahm then she needs to find a job

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey guys, those wanting pools to open . Pools are not safe, according to our local Health Dep., because of fecal matter traces which may contain the virus.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/04/23/dr-ezike-swimming-pools-are-not-safe-to-use-during-coronavirus-pandemic-because-of-fecal-shedding/

Unless you have your own pool.

That article is about indoor pools, did you even read it?

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Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.

None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.

Of course it is! What about the 650,000 Americans who die each and every year from heart disease, which is many, many more than will of COVID in 2020. Should we issue a federal mandate that everyone MUST exercise? Maintain a healthy weight? Should we ban all restaurants from serving unhealthy meals, because these are all risk factors that contribute to the development of heart disease. Of course not. Life in this country is not managed that way.

Unlike heart disease, this is contagious. With contagious diseases, we mitigate the risk of infecting/killing each other through vaccine programs. We don't have a vaccine for this yet. So the plan is going to look very different from other contagious diseases and heart disease. They are working on the plan, balancing all of the factors including economic; sit tight, it won't be forever. Had they started sooner, we'd be in better shape, but they didn't so we have to deal with the consequences and wait longer, but eventually they will have a plan. After that, we use the power of our vote to reward those who managed this well and find new jobs for those who blew it and caused more harm to people and the economy. In the mean time, take care of yourself, you family, and you neighbors, and do no harm.

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Anonymous wrote:Cite for your 50/50, OP?

The polls I've seen say over 80% favor continued social distancing: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-news-coronavirus-poll

Social distancing is staying six feet away from others, you can do that without a stay at home order.

That worked so well at the DC fish market.

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Anonymous wrote:OPEN OPEN OPEN

I'm a 44 year old SAHM with older "kids" (including a college student.)
Dh is a 50 year old "essential employee" that has been going into the office throughout this whole thing (and taking public transport to get there.)
We haven't really been affected financially by this but our hearts break for those that have.

Not sure why someone would want to listen to a longtime SAHM’s opinion...

Seriously. If she’s 44, the kids are in colleague, and she’s still a sahm then she needs to find a job

She doesn’t need to find a job if she doesn’t want to, and her opinion is more valuable than that of a loser corporate drone.

[Anonymous]

Open, gradually. The high-risk population will have to keep isolating until there is a vaccine (18+ months from now).