As always, it seems people are split on opening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.

None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open!!! Approximately 500 dead in VA and 500,000 unemployed. Just think about that.

What's the going exchange rate between temporary unemployment and death?

Do we ban driving because 40,000 Americans die in traffic accidents each and every year? No, we mitigate risk through safety standards, traffic laws and speed limits. The strategy for COVID is mitigation and to flatten the curve. The goal isn’t, and never was, to keep anyone from getting the virus or (very unfortunately) dying. We have to be realistic about what we can and cannot achieve.

None of that is an argument in favor of opening up though. We've sacrificed a lot to mitigate this and it still has already killed at minimum more than a years worth of traffic fatalities.

Of course it is! What about the 650,000 Americans who die each and every year from heart disease, which is many, many more than will of COVID in 2020. Should we issue a federal mandate that everyone MUST exercise? Maintain a healthy weight? Should we ban all restaurants from serving unhealthy meals, because these are all risk factors that contribute to the development of heart disease. Of course not. Life in this country is not managed that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle ground. Open things gradually, in stages, with lots of restrictions.

I won't do playdates or camp this summer - too soon. But we may go to our neighborhood pool (have a membership) IF there are guidelines in place to make sure it won't be packed.

Same

Me too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

It's not about "opinions" It's about science. this is not about breasat vs bottle feeding. It's a global pandemic FFS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

THis is a communicable disease--very different. Go to school, get an MPH or an MD, and then come rant about your armchair epidemiology skills

[Anonymous]

Cite for your 50/50, OP?

The polls I've seen say over 80% favor continued social distancing: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-news-coronavirus-poll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

It's not about "opinions" It's about science. this is not about breasat vs bottle feeding. It's a global pandemic FFS

This thread is clearly about opinions. You’re welcome to not participate FFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half the people want the world to open back up, open camps, open pools, open schools in the fall. Other half wants to not do play dates, not open school, not open anything.

Which camp are you in?

I want parks to be open. I want our pool and tennis courts to open. I want to do play dates.

I threw out having a friend over for s’mores and she asked if the neighbors would call the cops.

And if you and your kids get the virus then you forego medical care? Also, all the other people who pal around with you?

Should we not treat lung cancer patients that are smokers because “they did this to themselves”? What about the obese suffering from heart disease? Gimme a break! After more than 6 weeks of lockdown, it’s time to resume some normalcy. All of what she is suggesting is low risk. Are we all going to continue to try and live no-risk lives until there is a vaccine? We will all be broke and crazy long before then.

THis is a communicable disease--very different. Go to school, get an MPH or an MD, and then come rant about your armchair epidemiology skills

I think what PP means is that with every policy, policy makers have to do a cost benefit analysis to decide. There was an article a while back that was discussing just this. Since 40,000 people die from car accidents every year in the US should we limit speed to 5 miles per hour? The way policy makers decide about this is: 1) they give a value to lives lost ($1 or 10,000,000 for example) and they estimate the costs of such policy. In the case of speed limit, costs outweigh the benefits so we prefer to have 40,000 dead from traffic accidents instead of limiting the speed to 5 miles per hour.
I am sure policy makers are doing the same about COVID restrictions. Like it or not the VSL (value of a statistical life) is something policy makers think about all the time. It may very well be that soon the damage to the economy is greater than the lives lost and everything will reopen... we just don’t know

[Anonymous]

I'm on team don't want people to die unnecessary deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm on team don't want people to die unnecessary deaths.

okay... what's your plan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cite for your 50/50, OP?

The polls I've seen say over 80% favor continued social distancing: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-news-coronavirus-poll

Social distancing is staying six feet away from others, you can do that without a stay at home order.