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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find Nat and Clint’s relationship super weird? I get that they are close due to work, but in a few movies she’s worn that arrow necklace that is clearly a nod to Hawkeye. I’d be fine with my husband having a close female friend from work, but if she started wearing jewelry in homage to him, we’d both be super creeped out.

Yes.

And her relationship with Hulk was confusing. Were they lovers of not?

Just add that to the reasons why her character sucked.

BW and Hulk were like middle schoolers- they liked each other, so they avoided each other as much as possible.

It was pretty clear in the first few movies that BW and Hawkeye were meant to be a couple, but then they randomly decided to give Hawkeye a family out of nowhere and paired BW up with Hulk, because heaven forbid we have a woman without a man to pine over.

It’s really a shame how they treated BW. We know she had a dark past where she did terrible things and has been seeking redemption, and had she been treated as a main character, they could have had a really interesting arc where she finally gets that redemption by sacrificing herself.

Although I should add- I don’t think BW is dead permanently. I think that since the soul stone was returned and therefore never actually taken, she comes back but in a different form. Like Gamora- since Thanos never took the stone, she got to come back, but as a past version of herself. My guess is that the upcoming BW movie is about how BW comes back, possibly as her old Soviet persona.

Her movie is suppose to be a prequel.

Which fits perfectly with the whole time travel thing.

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

Listen, comics are rife with those kind of silly inconsistencies, that's why they have "Crisis on Infinite Earth" and Spider-verse type events. Just let it slide and enjoy an entertaining flick.

They were a little hamfisted with their MacGuffins, but let's just enjoy the acting and action.

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

Listen, comics are rife with those kind of silly inconsistencies, that's why they have "Crisis on Infinite Earth" and Spider-verse type events. Just let it slide and enjoy an entertaining flick.

They were a little hamfisted with their MacGuffins, but let's just enjoy the acting and action.

You are quite right. I feel like they tried to bring rhyme and reason(in couple of scenes) to ....superhero comics...Which involve a suspension of scientific belief and love for the nonsense of it all. I will not think about the how and what if, after all they are doing fan service, in this part at least one branch of Disney is clear on what the fans want, unlike Luke Skywalker throwing his lightsaber, trying to kill his nephew, being a hologram, and Princess Leah becoming Marry Poppins in space. MCU makers know what we want to see and we

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The biggest question I was left with was if Thanos was too strong for even the super heroes to get him without the infinity stones/gauntlet, then how the HELL did Iron Many get it from him at the end?

I presumed either Tony had it all along or got it close to the end, and it was the mindstone (or whichever one it is that messes with perceptions) to make Thanos think that the gauntlet everyone was chasing was the real one.

How could Tony have had it all along if Hulk snapped it and people came back to life? Then Thanos bombed the place and gauntlets ends up with Hawkeye in the ruble?

I meant he had it all along from when they introduced it as a separate item in the fight scene - the gauntlet everyone was playing hot potato with was always a mindfake.

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The biggest question I was left with was if Thanos was too strong for even the super heroes to get him without the infinity stones/gauntlet, then how the HELL did Iron Many get it from him at the end?

I presumed either Tony had it all along or got it close to the end, and it was the mindstone (or whichever one it is that messes with perceptions) to make Thanos think that the gauntlet everyone was chasing was the real one.

How could Tony have had it all along if Hulk snapped it and people came back to life? Then Thanos bombed the place and gauntlets ends up with Hawkeye in the ruble?

I meant he had it all along from when they introduced it as a separate item in the fight scene - the gauntlet everyone was playing hot potato with was always a mindfake.

The gauntlet was real. Tony just removed the stones when he locked arms with Thanos (sleight of hand). Remember, his suit was nano tech and could do all kinds of weird shape shifting things.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find Nat and Clint’s relationship super weird? I get that they are close due to work, but in a few movies she’s worn that arrow necklace that is clearly a nod to Hawkeye. I’d be fine with my husband having a close female friend from work, but if she started wearing jewelry in homage to him, we’d both be super creeped out.

Yes.

And her relationship with Hulk was confusing. Were they lovers of not?

Just add that to the reasons why her character sucked.

BW and Hulk were like middle schoolers- they liked each other, so they avoided each other as much as possible.

It was pretty clear in the first few movies that BW and Hawkeye were meant to be a couple, but then they randomly decided to give Hawkeye a family out of nowhere and paired BW up with Hulk, because heaven forbid we have a woman without a man to pine over.

It’s really a shame how they treated BW. We know she had a dark past where she did terrible things and has been seeking redemption, and had she been treated as a main character, they could have had a really interesting arc where she finally gets that redemption by sacrificing herself.

Joss Whedon did the first two Avengers movies. The Russo brothers did the last two. The writing and directing changes led to differences in character behavior. I think they had to come up with something to keep the audience invested in the two powerless Avengers.

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

Listen, comics are rife with those kind of silly inconsistencies, that's why they have "Crisis on Infinite Earth" and Spider-verse type events. Just let it slide and enjoy an entertaining flick.

They were a little hamfisted with their MacGuffins, but let's just enjoy the acting and action.

You are quite right. I feel like they tried to bring rhyme and reason(in couple of scenes) to ....superhero comics...Which involve a suspension of scientific belief and love for the nonsense of it all. I will not think about the how and what if, after all they are doing fan service, in this part at least one branch of Disney is clear on what the fans want, unlike Luke Skywalker throwing his lightsaber, trying to kill his nephew, being a hologram, and Princess Leah becoming Marry Poppins in space. MCU makers know what we want to see and we

I was just lamenting this. How can they make such good fun Marvel movies, but be so inept at SW??

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

How is Loki back? I hope he still gone. Not a fan.

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

How is Loki back? I hope he still gone. Not a fan.

He's back through a very powerful magic called "Disney is going to squeeze every last penny of MCU and give Loki a spin-off show".

The true hero of Endgame were the Disney shareholders. Thanos and his gauntlet never stood a chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw it twice already (first on opening night and then in the late afternoon 3D).

Gamora from the past ran off and I think that's probably what they'll build Guardians 3 off of which is finding that Gamora. I hope Thor gets to join them on it since James Gunn got hired back and in my opinion writes the funniest Marvel movies (Guardians franchise).

I am glad Cap got his happy ending as he was by far my favorite character since he first jumped on the bomb in Captain America. I also liked Peggy Carter (including her short lived series on ABC--Agent Carter).

I wish Coulson had been brought back from the tv series to make an appearance (loved him in Captain Marvel).

Thought the scenes with Thor were funny. Particularly Downey's calling him Lebowski.

Paul Rudd did the best acting job in this movie though after seeing it twice now.

The biggest question I was left with was if Thanos was too strong for even the super heroes to get him without the infinity stones/gauntlet, then how the HELL did Iron Many get it from him at the end?

How do I miss the Lebowski reference?!?!?! Freakin hilarious

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I'm 5'8" and 270# and laughed at Fat Thor.

DC Extended Universe is going to have a chance to get some thunder going with Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman 1984, The Flash, the Batman sequel, the Suicide Squad sequel, and the Aquaman sequel. Surprised they don't have anything released before Birds of Prey in February 2020...

Anonymous wrote:I never understood- if Thanos wants everyone to be fed and grateful to him, why not just snap his fingers and make delicious food appear? If he can create an entire universe with the snap of his fingers, some extra roast chickens shouldn't be too hard.

He's not called Thanos the Reasonable Solutions Titan (he's called Thanos the Mad Titan)

Anonymous wrote:I don't like Valkyrie. She was annoying af in Ragnarok.
And I find it funny that some fans are bitching about Akoye not being in the movie enough. This movie is about the OG Avengers, so they'll be in it mostly. I'm sure after this Phase, she'll be in more of the future movies. Come on, even many other Marvel characters didn't have a lot of screen time.

OTOH, Ant-Man ended up being the lynchpin for all this and he certainly wasn't an OG Avenger. I'm surprised they couldn't have had one of the Wakandans in there (or one of Doctor Strange's friends) as they found room for Rhodes, and they included Rocket (Guardians) and Ant-Man (newer Avenger). (Also surprised Captain Marvel was absent for 80% of the movie.) Of course planning the all-female strike force was a WONDERFUL counterpoint to Birds of Prey (DC Extended Universe's all-female movie in 2020).

Of course now that time travel exists in the MCU there is going to be stuff based on that, and some of the not very nice folks will be using it for not very nice purposes.

These are pretty probable for Phases 4-6:
Spider-Man: Far from Home (2019)
Black Widow (probably a prequel, 2020 at earliest)
A movie about the Eternals. There's evil Eternals called Deviants as well, including a certain villain named Thanos. (2020 at earliest)
Doctor Strange 2 (sometime in 2021?)
Black Panther 2 (2021 at earliest)
Guardians 3 (2021) Will Guardians 3 include Thor? They might move on to Valkyrie if she is going to play a bigger role in Phase 4.
Shang-Chi aka trying to break every box office in China and apologizing for turning an actual Asian character into a White woman (Doctor Strange's mentor the Eternal One).

I'd be surprised if these DIDN'T happen
Captain Marvel 2 - possible introduction of Kamala Khan
Ant-Man 3 - possibly folding him into an earth-bound comic relief team like the Great Lakes Avengers (and of course this means - Squirrel Girl!)

Other characters that might appear (these are my guesses only). Of course you can only introduce so many heroes in so many movies.
* Will Nice Hulk be making any more movies? He's only featured in one so far.
* There's going to be an all-female movie unless Birds of Prey TOTALLY bombs.
* Of course a Guardians/Great Lakes Avengers mashup would be nice at some point, should a new comic relief team be necessary (we've already got Ant-Man as earth-bound comic relief).
* If the Phase 4-6 evil mastermind isn't from the Eternals/Deviants, Doctor Doom might decide to make an appearance. There's others of course.
* A Fantastic Four reboot would be quite easy at this point given that the previous movies bombed (as in didn't even make $200MM WORLDWIDE).
* X-Men universe + Deadpool/X-Force will get major changes now that everyone is in one happy family. I think Sony has some rights to Spider-Man - are there any other characters that Disney/Marvel doesn't have all the rights to now? NO freaking idea how you'd fit Deadpool into the MCU except a VERY VERY VERY brief cameo. I mean there could be some reference to having to be family friendly or the such. (Possible he could become the new Stan Lee cameo.) You're not going to see full integration of the two universes until I'm collecting Social Security (I'm 44).

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Nevermind how I could forget Sony has the rights to some of Spider-Man's "friends" like Venom. Given that Venom made $855, it does seem Sony will keep its little slice of Marvelland separate - but it seems they're getting along better with the greater MCU than Fox was with the MCU (X-Men/Fantastic Four).

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Anonymous wrote:If they bring her back as her present/future self, somewhere from Vormir... that would be the worst. They already brought all the people back in some form, even Loki, so come on then all the consequences of Stark dying are rubbish. Bringing Stark from some past back would not erase his snap of Thanos's and his troops, and he would be just there. You just have the Hulk got back to the cabin and tell that Tony, dude you die, but I can forward you a half year with some Pim particles. I think people are just overlooking all the mess Marvel created as they wanted to bring the cash machines back and have a huge death snap in Infinity War. One week from now this will be the main topic of the fans and they will not just accept it. It makes no sense.

How is Loki back? I hope he still gone. Not a fan.

During going back to New York time after the battle, they got a bit distracted and he got the tessarect and he portals away.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 5'8" and 270# and laughed at Fat Thor.

DC Extended Universe is going to have a chance to get some thunder going with Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman 1984, The Flash, the Batman sequel, the Suicide Squad sequel, and the Aquaman sequel. Surprised they don't have anything released before Birds of Prey in February 2020...

Anonymous wrote:I never understood- if Thanos wants everyone to be fed and grateful to him, why not just snap his fingers and make delicious food appear? If he can create an entire universe with the snap of his fingers, some extra roast chickens shouldn't be too hard.

He's not called Thanos the Reasonable Solutions Titan (he's called Thanos the Mad Titan)

Anonymous wrote:I don't like Valkyrie. She was annoying af in Ragnarok.
And I find it funny that some fans are bitching about Akoye not being in the movie enough. This movie is about the OG Avengers, so they'll be in it mostly. I'm sure after this Phase, she'll be in more of the future movies. Come on, even many other Marvel characters didn't have a lot of screen time.

OTOH, Ant-Man ended up being the lynchpin for all this and he certainly wasn't an OG Avenger. I'm surprised they couldn't have had one of the Wakandans in there (or one of Doctor Strange's friends) as they found room for Rhodes, and they included Rocket (Guardians) and Ant-Man (newer Avenger). (Also surprised Captain Marvel was absent for 80% of the movie.) Of course planning the all-female strike force was a WONDERFUL counterpoint to Birds of Prey (DC Extended Universe's all-female movie in 2020).

Of course now that time travel exists in the MCU there is going to be stuff based on that, and some of the not very nice folks will be using it for not very nice purposes.

These are pretty probable for Phases 4-6:
Spider-Man: Far from Home (2019)
Black Widow (probably a prequel, 2020 at earliest)
A movie about the Eternals. There's evil Eternals called Deviants as well, including a certain villain named Thanos. (2020 at earliest)
Doctor Strange 2 (sometime in 2021?)
Black Panther 2 (2021 at earliest)
Guardians 3 (2021) Will Guardians 3 include Thor? They might move on to Valkyrie if she is going to play a bigger role in Phase 4.
Shang-Chi aka trying to break every box office in China and apologizing for turning an actual Asian character into a White woman (Doctor Strange's mentor the Eternal One).

I'd be surprised if these DIDN'T happen
Captain Marvel 2 - possible introduction of Kamala Khan
Ant-Man 3 - possibly folding him into an earth-bound comic relief team like the Great Lakes Avengers (and of course this means - Squirrel Girl!)

Other characters that might appear (these are my guesses only). Of course you can only introduce so many heroes in so many movies.
* Will Nice Hulk be making any more movies? He's only featured in one so far.
* There's going to be an all-female movie unless Birds of Prey TOTALLY bombs.
* Of course a Guardians/Great Lakes Avengers mashup would be nice at some point, should a new comic relief team be necessary (we've already got Ant-Man as earth-bound comic relief).
* If the Phase 4-6 evil mastermind isn't from the Eternals/Deviants, Doctor Doom might decide to make an appearance. There's others of course.
* A Fantastic Four reboot would be quite easy at this point given that the previous movies bombed (as in didn't even make $200MM WORLDWIDE).
* X-Men universe + Deadpool/X-Force will get major changes now that everyone is in one happy family. I think Sony has some rights to Spider-Man - are there any other characters that Disney/Marvel doesn't have all the rights to now? NO freaking idea how you'd fit Deadpool into the MCU except a VERY VERY VERY brief cameo. I mean there could be some reference to having to be family friendly or the such. (Possible he could become the new Stan Lee cameo.) You're not going to see full integration of the two universes until I'm collecting Social Security (I'm 44).

I think I love you.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw the movie yesterday. So epic. Yes, I cried, but do did 300 others.

A couple plot points that are confusing/questioning:

*Where is Gamora?
*If Cap went back in time and lived his life, that means his wife never had her husband and kids. Also that Cap knew about Hydra, Bucky suffering, etc and didn't do anything. Doesn't seem like Cap to go back like that when he's known for being this selfless guy. Also, why the heck did he ever kiss the niece in Civil War but nothing happens between them after?

Did you see the movie?!