American taxpayers pay for orthodontic work on undocumented kids?

[Anonymous]

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.


So we shouldn't educate our citizens? I am not following.

DP here. We must pay for our citizens. But, to say that the undocumented who come here are not an expense is deceptive. And, please note that the $19k is likely a minimum cost as these kids likely need more services: ESOL, etc. and possibly special needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$135 billion per year, receiving perks middle class Americans can't afford:

My daughter works in a dental office. The Spanish speaking patients are all paid for by DSHS. Not only the dental is free, they are now receiving free orthodontia work all paid for by the hardworking taxpayer. She regularly sees $5000-7000 dental bills for a single patient, NOT a family. This is just the tip of iceberg...saunter on over to the food stamp or aid to children or welfare offices. The bills are huge and I suspect larger than this article cites. Sickening, really and a huge magnet for more to cross the border.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/record-135-billion-a-year-for-illegal-immigration-average-8075-each-25000-in-ny/article/2635757

This sounds completely unbelievable. I'd be utterly shocked it this was true.

I work in education and MOST of the undocumented teens have braces on their teeth. Someone's paying for it...

Anchor babies and unaccompanied minors? Or a state /local jurisdiction that funds illegals? http://www.sfhp.org/visitors/healthy-kids/
Money collected is not available for other costs and is a write-off on federal tax returns.

The numbers in the paper seem legit- interesting the estimated numbers of anchor babies. Note 1 anchor baby gets people on subsidized housing lists.

Here's a case in San Francisco where an illegal immigrant [prior DUI and order for removal] had a vehicle stolen, reported the theft, then sued because a cop reported him to ICE. He gets $190,000 since any reporting violated the sanctuary city. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/06/28/san-francisco-pay-undocumented-immigrant-sanctuary-policy/

medical /health coverage for illegal immigrants http://healthysanfrancisco.org/visitors/are-you-eligible/
Kaiser - charitable health regardless of immigration status https://charitablehealth.kaiserpermanente.org/california/eligibility/
Benefits platinum plan with no premium https://charitablehealth.kaiserpermanente.org/california/benefits/

So for health care you're better off being an illegal immigrant in California than US citizens without major subsidies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.


So we shouldn't educate our citizens? I am not following.

DP here. We must pay for our citizens. But, to say that the undocumented who come here are not an expense is deceptive. And, please note that the $19k is likely a minimum cost as these kids likely need more services: ESOL, etc. and possibly special needs.

While they are American Citizens and here to stay, they should have never been and more are born each day to parents that should not be in this country. This is why we need a big beautiful wall, enforce harsh penalties for companies that employ illegals, and jail those who overstay Visas. Once the incentive to come is extinguished, the remaining problem can then be managed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.


So we shouldn't educate our citizens? I am not following.

DP here. We must pay for our citizens. But, to say that the undocumented who come here are not an expense is deceptive. And, please note that the $19k is likely a minimum cost as these kids likely need more services: ESOL, etc. and possibly special needs.

While they are American Citizens and here to stay, they should have never been and more are born each day to parents that should not be in this country. This is why we need a big beautiful wall, enforce harsh penalties for companies that employ illegals, and jail those who overstay Visas. Once the incentive to come is extinguished, the remaining problem can then be managed.

What does this have anything to do with illegals and braces? Maybe you should stay on topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm politically moderate and not white. It's not partisan politics to recognize that illegal immigrants costs us. Look around. If you live anywhere in Northern VA you'll see droves of recent illegal immigrants or their children. Our schools are overcrowded, our resources are being spent teaching them English, they get free lunch, and they get money from the local government in other ways. That is how they afford to live her when college educated people with multiple degrees have trouble with the mortgage.

Our current porous border is absolutely unsustainable. And if Obama had addressed this problem better, Trump would not have won.

Start a new thread about your topic. What OP posted is hogwash.

Respectfully, what is the real evidence then? What is a reliable source which estimates such costs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.


So we shouldn't educate our citizens? I am not following.

DP here. We must pay for our citizens. But, to say that the undocumented who come here are not an expense is deceptive. And, please note that the $19k is likely a minimum cost as these kids likely need more services: ESOL, etc. and possibly special needs.

While they are American Citizens and here to stay, they should have never been and more are born each day to parents that should not be in this country. This is why we need a big beautiful wall, enforce harsh penalties for companies that employ illegals, and jail those who overstay Visas. Once the incentive to come is extinguished, the remaining problem can then be managed.

What does this have anything to do with illegals and braces? Maybe you should stay on topic.

My response was a direct response to the prior thread, which in turn was a response to the one about it. Are you the new moderator?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.


So we shouldn't educate our citizens? I am not following.

DP here. We must pay for our citizens. But, to say that the undocumented who come here are not an expense is deceptive. And, please note that the $19k is likely a minimum cost as these kids likely need more services: ESOL, etc. and possibly special needs.

While they are American Citizens and here to stay, they should have never been and more are born each day to parents that should not be in this country. This is why we need a big beautiful wall, enforce harsh penalties for companies that employ illegals, and jail those who overstay Visas. Once the incentive to come is extinguished, the remaining problem can then be managed.

What does this have anything to do with illegals and braces? Maybe you should stay on topic.

The intent of birthright citizenship was not anchor babies as practiced today including birthright tourism and border crossing births-come in from Mexico-birth and return. I knew people who flew over from Asia, ME, Africa to give birth. Relatives of friends of mine or my kids. One family from the ME had 1 daughter [3 US births], 4 cousins on multiple tourist visa visits. A friend here legally from Mexico has had 5 family members-no one is poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm politically moderate and not white. It's not partisan politics to recognize that illegal immigrants costs us. Look around. If you live anywhere in Northern VA you'll see droves of recent illegal immigrants or their children. Our schools are overcrowded, our resources are being spent teaching them English, they get free lunch, and they get money from the local government in other ways. That is how they afford to live her when college educated people with multiple degrees have trouble with the mortgage.

Our current porous border is absolutely unsustainable. And if Obama had addressed this problem better, Trump would not have won.

but it is very partisan to say big fat lies about how illegal immigrants are costing us. the post of OP is one example, alleging that undocumented immigrants routinely live off welfare (homes, free healthcare, now even free $$$$ braces!). these lies are spread on purpose by right wing new outlets and like Fox News and Breitbart, so their struggling voters can direct their rage against immigrants instead of against Republicans and keep voting them to get policies that will screw then even more.

you see that in NV you "see droves of illegal immigrants" - do they have a stamp on the forehead saying "illegals" ? or like OP if think that anybody speaking Spanish is illegal? how do you know they get government money? from which agencies?

no problem in examining costs of undocumented immigrants, but please leave the fat lies out. the cost of the trip Mnuchin's wife took to see the eclipse in Kentucky could have covered the mortgage of you house in Burke for a year (the cost of Trumps' trips to his golf courses so far could probably pay for the entire North Arlington's housing market)

Illegal immigration in Nova is HUGE. The schools look like 3rd world countries. "Hispanic" is the dominating demographic in many schools, the school stats destroyed by the high levels of Nonenglish speaking students, vast majority of which eat lunch on the taxpayer dime. Nova/FFX is a "sanctuary city" besides, which I'm sure is driven by the low levels of illegal immigrants around here, according to you. Illegal immigrants absolutely gets taxpayer funded benefits. How can they afford to live in Nova so close-in besides? You got your head in the ground deep.

Here's a question for you:

Why can't you acknowledge these facts about illegal immigration and still be in support of it?

If you support the Illegals, you should be facing the costs associated with them with dignity and without shame, not angrily squirreling around denying basic facts.

maybe because you (like OP) do not cite any facts, just rabid accusations. your facts are "illegal immigrants absolutely gets taxpayer funded benefits. How can they afford to live in Nova?" this is not a fact. come back with facts about illegal immigrant getting welfare and then we can discuss. same thing for OP. show how illegals are getting benefits paying $4-$5k for braces paid by the government and then we can discuss. "a girl at my kid's school speaks Spanish and has braces" does not qualify as evidence that the American middle class is paying for dental and health benefits to illegal immigrants. this is the crap the various Ryan and Bannon spread around so angry people keep voting for them so they can reduce taxes to the rich even more and the services to the American middle class even more, "but it's all the immigrants' fault"

[Anonymous]

So all those kids get US citizenship [duals] and the anchors from illegals get the same thing. They also get public benefits as posted earlier in CA.

NYC allows and funds undocumented persons convicted of crimes to apply for gov pardons on deportation.

None of this is about the middle class and above citizens paying taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm politically moderate and not white. It's not partisan politics to recognize that illegal immigrants costs us. Look around. If you live anywhere in Northern VA you'll see droves of recent illegal immigrants or their children. Our schools are overcrowded, our resources are being spent teaching them English, they get free lunch, and they get money from the local government in other ways. That is how they afford to live her when college educated people with multiple degrees have trouble with the mortgage.

Our current porous border is absolutely unsustainable. And if Obama had addressed this problem better, Trump would not have won.

but it is very partisan to say big fat lies about how illegal immigrants are costing us. the post of OP is one example, alleging that undocumented immigrants routinely live off welfare (homes, free healthcare, now even free $$$$ braces!). these lies are spread on purpose by right wing new outlets and like Fox News and Breitbart, so their struggling voters can direct their rage against immigrants instead of against Republicans and keep voting them to get policies that will screw then even more.

you see that in NV you "see droves of illegal immigrants" - do they have a stamp on the forehead saying "illegals" ? or like OP if think that anybody speaking Spanish is illegal? how do you know they get government money? from which agencies?

no problem in examining costs of undocumented immigrants, but please leave the fat lies out. the cost of the trip Mnuchin's wife took to see the eclipse in Kentucky could have covered the mortgage of you house in Burke for a year (the cost of Trumps' trips to his golf courses so far could probably pay for the entire North Arlington's housing market)

Illegal immigration in Nova is HUGE. The schools look like 3rd world countries. "Hispanic" is the dominating demographic in many schools, the school stats destroyed by the high levels of Nonenglish speaking students, vast majority of which eat lunch on the taxpayer dime. Nova/FFX is a "sanctuary city" besides, which I'm sure is driven by the low levels of illegal immigrants around here, according to you. Illegal immigrants absolutely gets taxpayer funded benefits. How can they afford to live in Nova so close-in besides? You got your head in the ground deep.

Here's a question for you:

Why can't you acknowledge these facts about illegal immigration and still be in support of it?

If you support the Illegals, you should be facing the costs associated with them with dignity and without shame, not angrily squirreling around denying basic facts.

I don't fully understand why non-documented immigrants come to NOVA? The argument for support non-documented immigrants is that "they do the jobs we don't want to do," like working in slaughterhouses, the fields picking fruits and veggies, etc.

What jobs are they doing? Just all house cleaning and illegal yard work, maybe construction?

And yes, I see along Lee Highway in Arlington the school bus stops where there are like a 100 Latino kids waiting at each stop. It's unfair to say they are all illegal when you have no idea. So just stop.

[Anonymous]

Illegals come to NOVA because people from their countries started coming here in the 1980's. Undesirable illegals are more likely to end up here or the NYC or other large metro areas than smaller commu nities like North GA or Hazleton PA.

But small town Hazleton had a major crime wave. MS 13 and others. http://www.timesleader.com/news/local/666701/barletta-discusses-accomplishments-at-red-carpet-breakfast

[Anonymous]

We paid over $100mn in extra security costs so Barron and Melania could stay in NY so Barron wouldn't have to switch schools. But I guess that's ok to the OP because he's rich and white. We all pay to take care of our country's children-that's how society works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm politically moderate and not white. It's not partisan politics to recognize that illegal immigrants costs us. Look around. If you live anywhere in Northern VA you'll see droves of recent illegal immigrants or their children. Our schools are overcrowded, our resources are being spent teaching them English, they get free lunch, and they get money from the local government in other ways. That is how they afford to live her when college educated people with multiple degrees have trouble with the mortgage.

Our current porous border is absolutely unsustainable. And if Obama had addressed this problem better, Trump would not have won.

Pro-illegals advocates never count the cost for educating/medicating/free-lunching 'the children' or any cost associated with anchor babies. Everyone who cites the schemes and abuse middle class Americans are paying for is a bigot.

The VA doesn't even cover dental! My dad had to pay for a plan.

Arlington, for example, spends $19k per student per year. A typical illegal may have 2-3 kids in the school system. If the illegal had all three here (anchor babies) then k-12 for all three costs the citizens $741k. Add to that the free lunches, the free care in emergency rooms, the cost of medical to deliver the three kids, and on and on. Does this minimum wage earner who may very well pay taxes ever make a dent in the cost shouldered by the American tax payers. Not even close.

I was in labor next to a 15 year old hispanic girl who was having her second baby. She screamed so much that they did a C-Section to keep her quiet One of the L&D nurses said that they do it all the time because they are reimbursed a great percentage for a C Section rather than a vaginal delivery. She said the big problem is when they have had three C-Sections and the woman comes back for a 4th delivery.

[Anonymous]

Excuse me but all President's children get that benefit. We are also paying for non US citizens illegally present in the USA plus anchor babies. If I knew of many families with tourist visa relatives flying in for birth then how many did you ever meet?

Before actually meeting these people we were never even aware of the issue. It used to be Mexican border crossers until a few decades ago and now is an industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm politically moderate and not white. It's not partisan politics to recognize that illegal immigrants costs us. Look around. If you live anywhere in Northern VA you'll see droves of recent illegal immigrants or their children. Our schools are overcrowded, our resources are being spent teaching them English, they get free lunch, and they get money from the local government in other ways. That is how they afford to live her when college educated people with multiple degrees have trouble with the mortgage.

Our current porous border is absolutely unsustainable. And if Obama had addressed this problem better, Trump would not have won.

but it is very partisan to say big fat lies about how illegal immigrants are costing us. the post of OP is one example, alleging that undocumented immigrants routinely live off welfare (homes, free healthcare, now even free $$$$ braces!). these lies are spread on purpose by right wing new outlets and like Fox News and Breitbart, so their struggling voters can direct their rage against immigrants instead of against Republicans and keep voting them to get policies that will screw then even more.

you see that in NV you "see droves of illegal immigrants" - do they have a stamp on the forehead saying "illegals" ? or like OP if think that anybody speaking Spanish is illegal? how do you know they get government money? from which agencies?

no problem in examining costs of undocumented immigrants, but please leave the fat lies out. the cost of the trip Mnuchin's wife took to see the eclipse in Kentucky could have covered the mortgage of you house in Burke for a year (the cost of Trumps' trips to his golf courses so far could probably pay for the entire North Arlington's housing market)

Illegal immigration in Nova is HUGE. The schools look like 3rd world countries. "Hispanic" is the dominating demographic in many schools, the school stats destroyed by the high levels of Nonenglish speaking students, vast majority of which eat lunch on the taxpayer dime. Nova/FFX is a "sanctuary city" besides, which I'm sure is driven by the low levels of illegal immigrants around here, according to you. Illegal immigrants absolutely gets taxpayer funded benefits. How can they afford to live in Nova so close-in besides? You got your head in the ground deep.

Here's a question for you:

Why can't you acknowledge these facts about illegal immigration and still be in support of it?

If you support the Illegals, you should be facing the costs associated with them with dignity and without shame, not angrily squirreling around denying basic facts.

I don't fully understand why non-documented immigrants come to NOVA? The argument for support non-documented immigrants is that "they do the jobs we don't want to do," like working in slaughterhouses, the fields picking fruits and veggies, etc.

What jobs are they doing? Just all house cleaning and illegal yard work, maybe construction?

And yes, I see along Lee Highway in Arlington the school bus stops where there are like a 100 Latino kids waiting at each stop. It's unfair to say they are all illegal when you have no idea. So just stop.

The biggest school bus stop is at Cleveland St and Lee Highway. If you drive down Cleveland St. you will see a huge apartment complex that Arlington County renovated for low income illegals. The parking lots are filled with shady taxicabs, but the income is off the books so that they can get the subsidized apartments. Along with the Hispanic, there are many Nepalese, Indians, and Sri Lankans who want to be in a top school district. A little farther north on Lee Highway, the red brick apartments between Woodstock and Glebe Road are filled with Indians and Hispanic Many of the Indian women run daycares (filled with the children of Arlington's elite). Probably 75 kids at that stop. In the Halls Hill area, the red brick apartments on Culpeper St. are filled with hispanic kids. They don't get the bus but walk the back way into Glebe.

I do have an idea about their status, so don't tell me to stop.