Professional woman - belatedly woke!

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I'm new to this thread, but you seem to not take criticism well. "Ingratiate" was used incorrectly. It's not a big deal, we all do it from time to time. Another commenter gently corrected you, and you chose to react to that by calling her names and insulting her intelligence. I wonder if that personality trait has manifested itself in other areas of your life, and might have something to do with your current problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

Your word choice is distracting, aside from being incorrect. This does not persuade or further discussion. The point of grammar is to eliminate ambiguity, reduce misunderstanding, and promote clarity. Your writing does not succeed at that.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

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Is this the new vernacular for a midlife crisis?

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

You are welcome to use your own matriarchal English. The rest of us are content with our patriarchal English with long-accepted grammar rules. I'm also happy with my feminist DH who neither under prioritizes me nor requires under prioritizing from me.

Amazing the gall of someone who would try to nitpick someone else's language and writes so atrociously. It truly takes all kinds.

It was awkward, I agree. I should have said that DH does not need to be emotionally hurt, as someone wrote upthread.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

No, I don't believe that you understand the meaning of the word if you still insist that you're using it correctly. But what do I know, I'm just a handmaiden of the patriarchy!

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Wow the wannabe symmantics police really derailed this thread. They also proved another point: no man would do this to another mans post or confession or ask for help.

Only woman on woman. Pathetic. Immature. Disgusting.


Hope you had an OK day back at the office OP. If you enjoy your line of work and found a good employer, give it your all. Your husband will find his way.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

No, I don't believe that you understand the meaning of the word if you still insist that you're using it correctly. But what do I know, I'm just a handmaiden of the patriarchy!

And I believe you're an absolute idiot who relies on tiny errors that you can harp on because you don't actually have anything of substance to add to the thread. I also believe you're an idiot who doesn't understand the nuance of what I said nor of the full meaning of "ingratiated". So what now? The point is you've added absolutely nothing to the thread, and instead of contributing to OP, you've derailed the thread with your petty, obnoxious fixation. That sounds pretty close to a handmaiden. Good work, babe!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the wannabe symmantics police really derailed this thread. They also proved another point: no man would do this to another mans post or confession or ask for help.

Only woman on woman. Pathetic. Immature. Disgusting.


Hope you had an OK day back at the office OP. If you enjoy your line of work and found a good employer, give it your all. Your husband will find his way.

Exactly!


God help me. I love being a feminist who advocates for other women but some of this F-ery.... you have to have the patience of a saint. It's like dealing with a room full of kindergartners.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

And this entire exchange further proves that the stereotypes about women are all correct. Sad little petty minds.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

And this entire exchange further proves that the stereotypes about women are all correct. Sad little petty minds.

All women are not to be judged by this dreadful exchange. There are annoying, nitpicky men out there just as there are women who do that. Frustrating? Yes. But that's what we're all working to change- the tendency of SOME women to needlessly attack one another (which most of the time doesn't come up but occasionally....)

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

No, I don't believe that you understand the meaning of the word if you still insist that you're using it correctly. But what do I know, I'm just a handmaiden of the patriarchy!

And I believe you're an absolute idiot who relies on tiny errors that you can harp on because you don't actually have anything of substance to add to the thread. I also believe you're an idiot who doesn't understand the nuance of what I said nor of the full meaning of "ingratiated". So what now? The point is you've added absolutely nothing to the thread, and instead of contributing to OP, you've derailed the thread with your petty, obnoxious fixation. That sounds pretty close to a handmaiden. Good work, babe!

I'm an editor. You used the word incorrectly. Nitpickers are bad, but people who can't accept their mistakes are worse. You're wrong, lady.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

I give up. You've doubled, nay, quadrupled down on your incorrect grammar now. What's hilarious is you basically used it correctly in the bolded sentence, but you still don't understand how you misused it earlier. You ingratiate yourself, you don't ingratiate pressure. Argh, I just tried to explain again. I can't help myself.

I certainly did. Did you think you could bully me out of using a word that I already said I had used deliberately? Did you not believe me when I said I fully understood the meaning of the word and selected it on purpose? If so... now you know. Thanks for playing.

No, I don't believe that you understand the meaning of the word if you still insist that you're using it correctly. But what do I know, I'm just a handmaiden of the patriarchy!

And I believe you're an absolute idiot who relies on tiny errors that you can harp on because you don't actually have anything of substance to add to the thread. I also believe you're an idiot who doesn't understand the nuance of what I said nor of the full meaning of "ingratiated". So what now? The point is you've added absolutely nothing to the thread, and instead of contributing to OP, you've derailed the thread with your petty, obnoxious fixation. That sounds pretty close to a handmaiden. Good work, babe!

I'm an editor. You used the word incorrectly. Nitpickers are bad, but people who can't accept their mistakes are worse. You're wrong, lady.

I'm not wrong. I don't care what you are. I write for a living- and I used it correctly and just as I intended. Take your self-important nitpicking and shove it, dude.