Professional woman - belatedly woke!

[Anonymous]

i am a millenial...what is woke?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i am a millenial...what is woke?

I'm an Xer but it's when you get out of bed in the morning. Like I woke up today and ate scrambled eggs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

Never mind, then. You can disregard what PP wrote, and we'll disregard what you wrote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

Never mind, then. You can disregard what PP wrote, and we'll disregard what you wrote.

And I'll disregard you, for an irrelevant comment that contributes nothing. Shoo...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

But your grammar sucks. "And see how very ingratiated into our culture this is" doesn't track at all. Should be "ingrained in our culture." Because "ingratiated" modifies "this" and that makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

But your grammar sucks. "And see how very ingratiated into our culture this is" doesn't track at all. Should be "ingrained in our culture." Because "ingratiated" modifies "this" and that makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense- ingratiate is supposed to modify this??? I think you're just confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

You are welcome to use your own matriarchal English. The rest of us are content with our patriarchal English with long-accepted grammar rules. I'm also happy with my feminist DH who neither under prioritizes me nor requires under prioritizing from me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

New to this thread but the "ingratiated in..." stopped me also.

That is a fully incorrect usage of the word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

Yes, women ingratiate themselves, but the pressure to do so does not ingratiate itself (what a confusing concept), which is what you were suggesting! You don't ingratiate pressure, it's the pressure to ingratiate oneself that you're talking about. WHICH I AGREE WITH. It's simple grammar, not some patriarchal conspiracy.

The pressure to do so does and is ingratiated in our culture. If it's confusing to you, you might have a very small mind. I don't know what to tell you. The constant, overbearing need to criticism women by way of INGRATIATING yourself into the patriarchal power structures is absolutely misogynistic and demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


Also, I'm not a fan of grammar or word nazis in general. I have a great vocabulary- and I think those who feel an overwhelming desire to nitpick and ATTEMPT to find some slight error- well, quite frankly, I think they usually are lacking in intelligence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for you OP! Now that you have noticed this, you will start to see the pressure on women to do this positively EVERYWHERE- and see how very ingratiated into our culture this is. And- duh! Because our culture and entertainment has been sharpened, for the history of humankind, by men.

It's starting to change but it's really amazing to realize how deep it goes. And once you take those rose colored glasses off- it's amazing how the real world works!

Ingrained. From one sister to another.

I know what both words mean, and I picked ingratiated deliberately. It's correct, thank you.

No, it simply isn't. You can say that women ingratiating themselves by deferring to men is ingrained in our culture, and I would agree! But you can't ingratiate pressure into culture--it makes no sense.

Ingratiate: bring oneself into favor with someone by flattering or trying to please them

I think it's an absolutely PERFECT description of how pressure on women is allowed and enabled to flourish in our culture. It was a deliberately selected word, and I'm absolutely not about to change it.

What I will say is it's sad women feel the need to nitpick about a word choice when we're speaking on the issues that OP brought up. But it does prove my point. Anyway, handmaidens will always be dismissed, by me at least.

You are welcome to use your own matriarchal English. The rest of us are content with our patriarchal English with long-accepted grammar rules. I'm also happy with my feminist DH who neither under prioritizes me nor requires under prioritizing from me.

Amazing the gall of someone who would try to nitpick someone else's language and writes so atrociously. It truly takes all kinds.