I want to believe Hillary will be bad for me! Help me!

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:I look at Hillary and think of other manipulative, power-hungry presidents we've had (Johnson & Nixon, for example). I look at Trump and think of other authoritarian demagogues (like Mussolini, say). I'll take Hillary!

The difference is now we are dealing with Radical Islamic terror and unchecked immigration,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the sort of person who enjoys hearing the perspective of those who disagree with me. I think it's a way of keeping myself grounded-- of not living in a bubble. I want to feel as though I've left no stone unturned when making a decision.

Personally, I feel that Hillary is a political animal. She eats, sleeps, and breathes Washinton politics. She is calculated, mechanical, and everything she does is premeditated. She has spent so long in the political spotlight that she probably can't remember what it is to be candid. But, I think she's intelligent, driven, "a fighter" (to quote her opponent), and when you look at her history of public service, she wants to serve the people. She is well-versed in presidential politics, and I choose to view that as a good thing: there won't be any learning curve for her figure out some way, any way, to try to work WITH the other party. In short, while I don't feel much connection to her, I feel her drawbacks (DC insider who rubs elbows with big-shots, using a personal server to evade scrutiny, being married to an unfaithful two-term pres...) won't impact me, the "little guy", in an adverse way. On the other hand, an untested, former reality star who made his mark in real estate, casinos, and branding--with his own questionable personality quirks--kind of embarrasses me. Oddly enough, I feel that had greater potential to impact my life.

What am I not seeing?

What on earth drives you to this conclusion? She wants to serve only herself, OP.

+1. If she wanted to serve the people - the country - she never would have set up an unsecured server and sent all email, including classified, through it and thereby place the nation's secrets at risk. She did it to hide her wrongdoings, which if discovered would keep her from the presidency. She was and is so determined for the power that she had her server bleached after it was subpoened - a felony. (When asked if she ordered the destruction of evidence, she said "I don't recall.")

+ 1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the sort of person who enjoys hearing the perspective of those who disagree with me. I think it's a way of keeping myself grounded-- of not living in a bubble. I want to feel as though I've left no stone unturned when making a decision.

Personally, I feel that Hillary is a political animal. She eats, sleeps, and breathes Washinton politics. She is calculated, mechanical, and everything she does is premeditated. She has spent so long in the political spotlight that she probably can't remember what it is to be candid. But, I think she's intelligent, driven, "a fighter" (to quote her opponent), and when you look at her history of public service, she wants to serve the people. She is well-versed in presidential politics, and I choose to view that as a good thing: there won't be any learning curve for her figure out some way, any way, to try to work WITH the other party. In short, while I don't feel much connection to her, I feel her drawbacks (DC insider who rubs elbows with big-shots, using a personal server to evade scrutiny, being married to an unfaithful two-term pres...) won't impact me, the "little guy", in an adverse way. On the other hand, an untested, former reality star who made his mark in real estate, casinos, and branding--with his own questionable personality quirks--kind of embarrasses me. Oddly enough, I feel that had greater potential to impact my life.

What am I not seeing?

What on earth drives you to this conclusion? She wants to serve only herself, OP.

+1. If she wanted to serve the people - the country - she never would have set up an unsecured server and sent all email, including classified, through it and thereby place the nation's secrets at risk. She did it to hide her wrongdoings, which if discovered would keep her from the presidency. She was and is so determined for the power that she had her server bleached after it was subpoened - a felony. (When asked if she ordered the destruction of evidence, she said "I don't recall.")

+ 1,000,000

+ another 1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:I look at Hillary and think of other manipulative, power-hungry presidents we've had (Johnson & Nixon, for example). I look at Trump and think of other authoritarian demagogues (like Mussolini, say). I'll take Hillary!

The difference is now we are dealing with Radical Islamic terror and unchecked immigration,

If you think I be answer to the worlds problems is for us to elect another Mussolini then you are betond rational discussion. Go read some history books.

[Anonymous]

I can't wait until the paid Trump posters disappear around noon November 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the sort of person who enjoys hearing the perspective of those who disagree with me. I think it's a way of keeping myself grounded-- of not living in a bubble. I want to feel as though I've left no stone unturned when making a decision.

Personally, I feel that Hillary is a political animal. She eats, sleeps, and breathes Washinton politics. She is calculated, mechanical, and everything she does is premeditated. She has spent so long in the political spotlight that she probably can't remember what it is to be candid. But, I think she's intelligent, driven, "a fighter" (to quote her opponent), and when you look at her history of public service, she wants to serve the people. She is well-versed in presidential politics, and I choose to view that as a good thing: there won't be any learning curve for her figure out some way, any way, to try to work WITH the other party. In short, while I don't feel much connection to her, I feel her drawbacks (DC insider who rubs elbows with big-shots, using a personal server to evade scrutiny, being married to an unfaithful two-term pres...) won't impact me, the "little guy", in an adverse way. On the other hand, an untested, former reality star who made his mark in real estate, casinos, and branding--with his own questionable personality quirks--kind of embarrasses me. Oddly enough, I feel that had greater potential to impact my life.

What am I not seeing?

What on earth drives you to this conclusion? She wants to serve only herself, OP.

+1. If she wanted to serve the people - the country - she never would have set up an unsecured server and sent all email, including classified, through it and thereby place the nation's secrets at risk. She did it to hide her wrongdoings, which if discovered would keep her from the presidency. She was and is so determined for the power that she had her server bleached after it was subpoened - a felony. (When asked if she ordered the destruction of evidence, she said "I don't recall.")

+ 1,000,000

+ another 1,000,000

PP here (who just got a couple + 1 million)......
The bigger problem here is that the media has changed the focus to Trump's sleaziness (while colluding with Hillary) because it takes the focus off the ISSUES: Hillary's poor foreign policies, her failings alas Sec of State, the degree of her corruption, her lies via public and private positions, and Trump's positions re obeying laws, particularly regarding illegal immigrants but crime in general, his plan to bring back jobs by lowering corporate taxes, his recognition that you can't buy votes by bribing people with impossibilities like free college, and his recognition that Obamacare is so flawed that it can't be fixed by throwing OPM after it.

The media is keeping the focus on HIS personal failings (while practically omitting coverage of hers) because if the focus is on the ISSUES, she will lose.

[Anonymous]

We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the paid Trump posters disappear around noon November 8.

We are all going to disappear when we are nuked under Hillary!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

Are your parent's illegal? Trump is against ILLEGALS, NOT immigrants. BIG difference!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

Are your parent's illegal? Trump is against ILLEGALS, NOT immigrants. BIG difference!!!

It doesn't matter his many times you try to tell liberals that Trump is twlking about ILLEGALS - not all immigrants. They refuse to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

Are your parent's illegal? Trump is against ILLEGALS, NOT immigrants. BIG difference!!!

I was offended by not only his words (which was a direct shot at me and those who share my background), but also by the way his comments incite so many of the uninformed, uneducated people out there (and we know Trump loves the uneducated). There has got to be a more diplomatic way of stating your agenda than to subtly whip up sentiments of racism and discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

To me, it's not about looks or what offends me PERSONALLY. (geez....selfish much?) It is about which policies are better for the country, and there is no question in my mind that Trump is right - while Hillary will turn us into another failed socialist country. We simply cannot afford to throw open our borders and support all the poor, uneducated people of the world. The Lazarus poem says "give me your poor, your hungry" - true - but it does not go on to say "and America will bankrupt the middle class in order to provide them housing, food, medical care, and spending money." All we owe is an opportunity for those who come here legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

Are your parent's illegal? Trump is against ILLEGALS, NOT immigrants. BIG difference!!!

I was offended by not only his words (which was a direct shot at me and those who share my background), but also by the way his comments incite so many of the uninformed, uneducated people out there (and we know Trump loves the uneducated). There has got to be a more diplomatic way of stating your agenda than to subtly whip up sentiments of racism and discrimination.

And I am the grandchild - all four - of immigrants who entered this country legally. They had to demonstrate that they either had a job already (hardly) or had a sponsor who would provide for their needs until they were self-sufficient. You want to fast-track illegals to citizenship so they can overwhelm the system even more with their need for taxpayer support for homes, food, medical? Do we just add that on top of the $20 trillion debt? Or, like Obamacare, should we put it on the backs of the middle class, who in turn have to lower their standard of living to support everyone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're all fully aware of Hillary's shady activity (private server, emails, speeches to banks, etc. etc. etc...).
But Hillary never lied to me personally, never stole anything from me personally, and frankly, I think she looks very presidential: about as buttoned-up, conservative, and well-coiffed as a physical representative of our country should look.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, has offended me personally (child of immigrants here), and I find his demeanor and his business background (casinos, steaks, cheap ties and a bogus university) embarrassing. And if he can implore the crowd to assess his alleged sexual abuse victims appearance, then I can do the same to him: He's kind of gross (and the sniffling doesn't help).

To me, it's not about looks or what offends me PERSONALLY. (geez....selfish much?) It is about which policies are better for the country, and there is no question in my mind that Trump is right - while Hillary will turn us into another failed socialist country. We simply cannot afford to throw open our borders and support all the poor, uneducated people of the world. The Lazarus poem says "give me your poor, your hungry" - true - but it does not go on to say "and America will bankrupt the middle class in order to provide them housing, food, medical care, and spending money." All we owe is an opportunity for those who come here legally.

I agree with you, we need some fidelity with which we do business in this country. We need to take care of our own able-minded and able-bodied workers first. All companies should feel a responsibility to look not just for "labor" but for "America Labor."

Here's where it gets tricky (and where the whole "open borders" concept gets distorted): business jobs, not necessarily manufacturing and labor jobs. With the growth and preponderance of telecommunications, the internet, etc, and with so many companies (wall st back office, call centers, tech support, etc.) finding pools of highly-educated, cheap labor abroad, that is not an immigration problem. The immigration issue is a factor with the jobs located in this country--jobs like manual laborers, factory workers, etc. Those jobs do make a sizable dent in our economy, but it raises two issues: 1. what's a bigger "dent," those jobs or the white collar jobs going abroad, and 2. perhaps it's time our economy evolve from one of manual, blue collar laborers (who can easily be replaced by cheap immigrant labor) to one that actually draws the business needs of the world to doing business in America.

[Anonymous]

OP, this race has come down to one thing: who will embarrass us least.
Answer that question for yourself, then you will know who to vote for.