Bruce Jenner - A teachable moment

[Anonymous]

I am so sad for Bruce. I wonder what has led him here, and I worry that he is all alone. Transitioning so late in life raises flags for me. I wouldn't blink twice at a kid or youth who transitions, but this seems worrisome...like maybe something else is going on.

I remember meeting a trans man who dressed as a woman when I was an older teen. He was in his 60s and mentally ill. He started dressing as a woman later in life when his mental illness became more pronounced. He rode a Vespa and had apparently been a bit of a playboy in his younger years. His social worker quietly spread the word to neighbors to keep us kids away from his house. We all thought he was cool, but it was really sad to see how lonely and bizarre he was. He just seemed sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, you and others like you can only come up with "hateful" when people disagree with you. Do you insist everyone who doesn't agree with you on everything is "hateful"? Because this is something we see so often with those with more liberal viewpoints. No surprise to me, for that reason.

Yeah, because equating it with wanting to be a puppy and changing species, and referring to it as "butchering" oneself doesn't smack of hate at all. Yeah..... It's not the disagreement that I have issues with. It's how you expressed it. Which was hateful. I'm sorry the truth is somehow surprising to you.

[Anonymous]

If one more person uses the expression "teachable moment," I think I will vomit.

OP, tell ya what. You "teach" your kids whatever you want, realizing of course that you will reap the consequences of that.

I will keep my kids as far away from this story as I possibly can. If it does become a subject of conversation, I will not hesitate to call it exactly what it is: A sick, twisted, deranged attempt at publicity by a self-absorbed has-been who would do anything -- literally -- to stay in the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brangelina have a transgender child

"Brangelina" created a transgendered child. Great for the family story line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one more person uses the expression "teachable moment," I think I will vomit.

OP, tell ya what. You "teach" your kids whatever you want, realizing of course that you will reap the consequences of that.

I will keep my kids as far away from this story as I possibly can. If it does become a subject of conversation, I will not hesitate to call it exactly what it is: A sick, twisted, deranged attempt at publicity by a self-absorbed has-been who would do anything -- literally -- to stay in the news.

So go find a bucket. No one cares what you tell your children. And that reaping thing you talk about? Get ready.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If one more person uses the expression "teachable moment," I think I will vomit.

OP, tell ya what. You "teach" your kids whatever you want, realizing of course that you will reap the consequences of that.

I will keep my kids as far away from this story as I possibly can. If it does become a subject of conversation, I will not hesitate to call it exactly what it is: A sick, twisted, deranged attempt at publicity by a self-absorbed has-been who would do anything -- literally -- to stay in the news.

So go find a bucket. No one cares what you tell your children. And that reaping thing you talk about? Get ready.

And yet we're all supposed to care what YOU tell YOUR children? Oh, because you are so much more enlightened than the rest of us.

No, friend. What you are is sadly misinformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As vapid and disgusting as the kardashians are, I applaud what Bruce Jenner is doing. The more we see transgender issues playing out in the spotlight, the more normalized it can be in our society. That's a GOOD thing.

Think about when I Love Lucy was on tv; back then it was taboo to even say the word "pregnant" on television. Now, of course, it's beyond normal. Same for interracial and gay couples. These people were, at one point, completely marginalized in pop culture and in society. They still face discrimination and judgment, but it's no longer abnormal to see them on tv, and it's no longer startling to see them at the store or park or family reunion or wherever. Over time it has become normalized and acceptance in pop culture is a major part of that.

The more “normalized” it becomes, the more problems our society will have. I hope it never becomes “normal.”
Transgender is NOT normal.
Pregnancy IS normal - it is how we as a species reproduce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If one more person uses the expression "teachable moment," I think I will vomit.

OP, tell ya what. You "teach" your kids whatever you want, realizing of course that you will reap the consequences of that.

I will keep my kids as far away from this story as I possibly can. If it does become a subject of conversation, I will not hesitate to call it exactly what it is: A sick, twisted, deranged attempt at publicity by a self-absorbed has-been who would do anything -- literally -- to stay in the news.

So go find a bucket. No one cares what you tell your children. And that reaping thing you talk about? Get ready.

And yet we're all supposed to care what YOU tell YOUR children? Oh, because you are so much more enlightened than the rest of us.

No, friend. What you are is sadly misinformed.

Where did I post what I was telling my children? That's right. I didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If one more person uses the expression "teachable moment," I think I will vomit.

OP, tell ya what. You "teach" your kids whatever you want, realizing of course that you will reap the consequences of that.

I will keep my kids as far away from this story as I possibly can. If it does become a subject of conversation, I will not hesitate to call it exactly what it is: A sick, twisted, deranged attempt at publicity by a self-absorbed has-been who would do anything -- literally -- to stay in the news.

So go find a bucket. No one cares what you tell your children. And that reaping thing you talk about? Get ready.

And yet we're all supposed to care what YOU tell YOUR children? Oh, because you are so much more enlightened than the rest of us.

No, friend. What you are is sadly misinformed.

Where did I post what I was telling my children? That's right. I didn't.

Sorry, I thought you were OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is too weird. And he fathered 6 kids and had 4 step-kids. Even more weird.

It's beyond weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As vapid and disgusting as the kardashians are, I applaud what Bruce Jenner is doing. The more we see transgender issues playing out in the spotlight, the more normalized it can be in our society. That's a GOOD thing.

Think about when I Love Lucy was on tv; back then it was taboo to even say the word "pregnant" on television. Now, of course, it's beyond normal. Same for interracial and gay couples. These people were, at one point, completely marginalized in pop culture and in society. They still face discrimination and judgment, but it's no longer abnormal to see them on tv, and it's no longer startling to see them at the store or park or family reunion or wherever. Over time it has become normalized and acceptance in pop culture is a major part of that.

The more “normalized” it becomes, the more problems our society will have. I hope it never becomes “normal.”
Transgender is NOT normal.
Pregnancy IS normal - it is how we as a species reproduce.

What the hell does pregnancy have to do with anything?

[Anonymous]

Really, I think some of you need to spend some time educating yourselves. Your kids will probobly figure this stuff out on their own. By the time your children are adults, I hope our society will have moved away from hate and intolerance directed at the LGBT community.

Read about Gina Duncan. She is a former college football player who made her transition at about 50. She is an amazing person who works very hard to ensure fair treatment of transgender people - People who are at very high risk of suicide and violent crime. She got married (as a male). Had two children and struggled to live as a male in a "normal life". Except that it wasn't normal. At five years old, Gina knew she was supposed to be female despite appearing male. Can you imagine the pain and confusion?

She wrote an excellent book describing her journey. No, I am not Gina. But I did get to hear her speak a few months ago. I left feeling so inspired by her courage.

Her facebook page for those who is want to learn more - https://www.facebook.com/ginaduncanletscrossover

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really, I think some of you need to spend some time educating yourselves. Your kids will probobly figure this stuff out on their own. By the time your children are adults, I hope our society will have moved away from hate and intolerance directed at the LGBT community.

Read about Gina Duncan. She is a former college football player who made her transition at about 50. She is an amazing person who works very hard to ensure fair treatment of transgender people - People who are at very high risk of suicide and violent crime. She got married (as a male). Had two children and struggled to live as a male in a "normal life". Except that it wasn't normal. At five years old, Gina knew she was supposed to be female despite appearing male. Can you imagine the pain and confusion?

She wrote an excellent book describing her journey. No, I am not Gina. But I did get to hear her speak a few months ago. I left feeling so inspired by her courage.

Her facebook page for those who is want to learn more - https://www.facebook.com/ginaduncanletscrossover

A lovely post from her PR rep....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really, I think some of you need to spend some time educating yourselves. Your kids will probobly figure this stuff out on their own. By the time your children are adults, I hope our society will have moved away from hate and intolerance directed at the LGBT community.

Read about Gina Duncan. She is a former college football player who made her transition at about 50. She is an amazing person who works very hard to ensure fair treatment of transgender people - People who are at very high risk of suicide and violent crime. She got married (as a male). Had two children and struggled to live as a male in a "normal life". Except that it wasn't normal. At five years old, Gina knew she was supposed to be female despite appearing male. Can you imagine the pain and confusion?

She wrote an excellent book describing her journey. No, I am not Gina. But I did get to hear her speak a few months ago. I left feeling so inspired by her courage.

Her facebook page for those who is want to learn more - https://www.facebook.com/ginaduncanletscrossover

A lovely post from her PR rep....

Not even close. Just someone who heard her speak at a diversity seminar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As vapid and disgusting as the kardashians are, I applaud what Bruce Jenner is doing. The more we see transgender issues playing out in the spotlight, the more normalized it can be in our society. That's a GOOD thing.

Think about when I Love Lucy was on tv; back then it was taboo to even say the word "pregnant" on television. Now, of course, it's beyond normal. Same for interracial and gay couples. These people were, at one point, completely marginalized in pop culture and in society. They still face discrimination and judgment, but it's no longer abnormal to see them on tv, and it's no longer startling to see them at the store or park or family reunion or wherever. Over time it has become normalized and acceptance in pop culture is a major part of that.

The more “normalized” it becomes, the more problems our society will have. I hope it never becomes “normal.”
Transgender is NOT normal.
Pregnancy IS normal - it is how we as a species reproduce.

What the hell does pregnancy have to do with anything?

Read the pp.’s comments. She talked about the “taboo” of pregnancy.