Near Death Experience proves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You keep using that word prove. I do not think it means what you think it means.

To whom are you posting?

[Anonymous]

There was no "me". There was only One.

very similar to Jung's collective unconscious

“It is only through the psyche that we can establish that God acts upon us, but we are unable to distinguish whether these actions emanate from God or from the unconscious. We cannot tell whether God and the unconscious are two different entities. Both are border-line concepts for transcendental contents. But empirically it can be established, with a sufficient degree of probability, that there is in the unconscious an archetype of wholeness. Strictly speaking, the God-image does not coincide with the unconscious as such, but with this special content of it, namely the archetype of the Self.”

“God is reality itself.”

[Anonymous]

Read about the God Helmet, and then get back to me. My brother worked on the research 10 years ago, and they know exactly how to simulate the experience the PP described.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery

There are still many unanswered questions that science will continue to research. Again, the world was once flat, right? It no longer is . . . So perhaps one day we'll figure out how NDEs overheard conversations in other rooms.

Below are "cultural accounts" of NDEs. The mind is simply using what it knows to create an "afterlife" during those few seconds the brain is still working after the heart has stopped.

That isn't to say there aren't cultural differences:

o Many of the Africans interpreted the event as somewhat evil; half thought the experience signified that they were somehow "bewitched." Another called it a "bad women."

o Among 400 Japanese NDErs, many reported seeing long, dark rivers and beautiful flowers, two common symbols that frequently appear as images in Japanese art.

o East Indians sometimes see heaven as a giant bureaucracy, and frequently report being sent back because of clerical errors!

o Americans and English say they are sent back for love or to perform a job.

o Natives of Micronesia often see heaven as similar to a large, brightly lit American city with loud, noisy cars and tall buildings.

To Morse and other investigators, these experiences are not as different as they seem. It is merely the individual interpretations that differ. Many report that their NDEs are, like dreams, "difficult to put into words." That forces them to borrow images from personal experience and apply them to their NDE. And the discrepancies found in reports do not signify mass hysteria or hallucinations. On the contrary, the similarities across a wide variety of cultures, ages, and religions support the idea that being near death not only triggers a specific type of experience, but that the experience is "transcendental"—that there is entry into another dimension of being.

The flat earth disproof isn't providing any evidence here. It doesn't provide any evidence or explanation, its merely your hope for a possible one at some time in the future. Its not even a theory.

Please provide citation for your bullet points, otherwise they are not edivence of anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My own NDE profoundly changed me.

Contrary to what the pp posted, my experience was nothing at all like it should have been had I been relating it to past experience.

The presence (and that's not a great word, but it's the only one I can come up with) I encountered was the opposite of what I should have seen. I was raised in a traditional, fundie Southern Baptist Church. I should have seen "God" as a male figure all in white judging my life. I should have seen golden gates. Thrones. Saints..... All that Biblical imagery of God. That's how I was raised. That's all I knew at the time.

I did not. The presence was definitely female in nature. This is the hard part - it wasn't gender. And if I had to assign a gender, I would probably say male, but it was a female essence. Maternal for sure. I felt like I was returning to what I had always known. I remember distinctly thinking "How could I not have known this." and "I've always known you." and mostly "How did I forget about this?". I absolutely know that I was home. I was back where I started. And I really didn't want to leave. I started thinking about my DH and my children. My parents and my sisters. I knew they would be so sad. But I felt such overwhelming love and security. Love like nothing I have ever even come close to feeling. Absolute, pure, light and completely unconditional love. Our word "love" doesn't even come close to what I felt. Imagine feeling completely safe. Completely loved. Completely secure. I didn't see loved ones that had past before me....I was them. There was no "me". There was only One.

I begged to stay. I tried to fight coming back. I remember hearing (not hearing like we hear, but knowing) that it wasn't my time. And I really wanted it to be my time.

The first thing the doctor asked me when I was fully conscious again was if I would be willing to write down what I had experienced. Apparently as I was being revived, I was talking. I guess I said some things that really caught their attention. One day I will write about it. I'm just not ready to share everything yet. It almost feels like if I share to much I'll lessen the experience.

This is not all there is. I can tell you that as easily as I can tell you the sun will set tonight.

In my religion of Islam, God is neither male nor female. He is Light.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for sharing 11:08! As another poster mentioned, nderf.org is full of similar accounts (going back home, "how could I have forgotten?" Etc) and has changed my view on religio/faith (it's stronger now) and ideas on an afterlife.

The naysayers will find out eventually but for now they're clearly intent on sounding salty and soulless.

[Anonymous]

"In my religion of Islam, God is neither male nor female. He is Light."

So he's not male but you use "he." Alrightie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"In my religion of Islam, God is neither male nor female. He is Light."

So he's not male but you use "he." Alrightie.

In Arabic, every noun has a gender. Same in the German language, I believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read about the God Helmet, and then get back to me. My brother worked on the research 10 years ago, and they know exactly how to simulate the experience the PP described.

I hope your brother eventually got a better job.

Is this the research you are referring to? (From "God Helmut" wikipedia):

Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet. The foundations of his theory have been criticised in the scientific press,[5] anecdotal reports by journalists,[6] academics[7][8] and documentarists[9] have been mixed and the effects reported by Persinger have not been independently replicated. The only attempt at replication published in the scientific literature reported a failure to reproduce Persinger's effects and the authors proposed that the suggestibility of participants, improper blinding of participants or idiosyncratic methodology could explain Persinger's results.[10] Persinger argues that the replication was technically flawed,[8][11] but the researchers have stood by their replication.[12]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery

There are still many unanswered questions that science will continue to research. Again, the world was once flat, right? It no longer is . . . So perhaps one day we'll figure out how NDEs overheard conversations in other rooms.

Below are "cultural accounts" of NDEs. The mind is simply using what it knows to create an "afterlife" during those few seconds the brain is still working after the heart has stopped.

That isn't to say there aren't cultural differences:

o Many of the Africans interpreted the event as somewhat evil; half thought the experience signified that they were somehow "bewitched." Another called it a "bad women."

o Among 400 Japanese NDErs, many reported seeing long, dark rivers and beautiful flowers, two common symbols that frequently appear as images in Japanese art.

o East Indians sometimes see heaven as a giant bureaucracy, and frequently report being sent back because of clerical errors!

o Americans and English say they are sent back for love or to perform a job.

o Natives of Micronesia often see heaven as similar to a large, brightly lit American city with loud, noisy cars and tall buildings.

To Morse and other investigators, these experiences are not as different as they seem. It is merely the individual interpretations that differ. Many report that their NDEs are, like dreams, "difficult to put into words." That forces them to borrow images from personal experience and apply them to their NDE. And the discrepancies found in reports do not signify mass hysteria or hallucinations. On the contrary, the similarities across a wide variety of cultures, ages, and religions support the idea that being near death not only triggers a specific type of experience, but that the experience is "transcendental"—that there is entry into another dimension of being.

The flat earth disproof isn't providing any evidence here. It doesn't provide any evidence or explanation, its merely your hope for a possible one at some time in the future. Its not even a theory.

Please provide citation for your bullet points, otherwise they are not edivence of anything.

You couldn't copy text into google and find the article from Psychology Today?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery

and the world is flat theory?

It proves that what was once fact is no longer fact. How stupid you must be not to understand that!

Based on the line above, there's even hope, genius, that your idea of an afterlife is eventually supported by NDEs as we become more advanced in our scientific research. But you can't even wrap your head around that. As soon as you saw anything "scientific," I'm sure you shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing 11:08! As another poster mentioned, nderf.org is full of similar accounts (going back home, "how could I have forgotten?" Etc) and has changed my view on religio/faith (it's stronger now) and ideas on an afterlife.

The naysayers will find out eventually but for now they're clearly intent on sounding salty and soulless.

Totally going to head over to that site. I have never heard of it but would love to know that others shared my experience. It truly changed me in ways that I can not begin to describe. I'm still grateful to be alive. I love my life and know that I am here in this time and place for a reason. But "death" has lost its meaning to me. My experience left me knowing that physical death is simply a transition.

I am not a body with a soul. I am a soul. I have a body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing 11:08! As another poster mentioned, nderf.org is full of similar accounts (going back home, "how could I have forgotten?" Etc) and has changed my view on religio/faith (it's stronger now) and ideas on an afterlife.

The naysayers will find out eventually but for now they're clearly intent on sounding salty and soulless.

Maybe that's the brain's way of shutting down - feeling at one with the universe - not struggling, feeling loved. A pretty nice final memory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery

There are still many unanswered questions that science will continue to research. Again, the world was once flat, right? It no longer is . . . So perhaps one day we'll figure out how NDEs overheard conversations in other rooms.

Below are "cultural accounts" of NDEs. The mind is simply using what it knows to create an "afterlife" during those few seconds the brain is still working after the heart has stopped.

That isn't to say there aren't cultural differences:

o Many of the Africans interpreted the event as somewhat evil; half thought the experience signified that they were somehow "bewitched." Another called it a "bad women."

o Among 400 Japanese NDErs, many reported seeing long, dark rivers and beautiful flowers, two common symbols that frequently appear as images in Japanese art.

o East Indians sometimes see heaven as a giant bureaucracy, and frequently report being sent back because of clerical errors!

o Americans and English say they are sent back for love or to perform a job.

o Natives of Micronesia often see heaven as similar to a large, brightly lit American city with loud, noisy cars and tall buildings.

To Morse and other investigators, these experiences are not as different as they seem. It is merely the individual interpretations that differ. Many report that their NDEs are, like dreams, "difficult to put into words." That forces them to borrow images from personal experience and apply them to their NDE. And the discrepancies found in reports do not signify mass hysteria or hallucinations. On the contrary, the similarities across a wide variety of cultures, ages, and religions support the idea that being near death not only triggers a specific type of experience, but that the experience is "transcendental"—that there is entry into another dimension of being.

The flat earth disproof isn't providing any evidence here. It doesn't provide any evidence or explanation, its merely your hope for a possible one at some time in the future. Its not even a theory.

Please provide citation for your bullet points, otherwise they are not edivence of anything.

You couldn't copy text into google and find the article from Psychology Today?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery

and the world is flat theory?

It proves that what was once fact is no longer fact. How stupid you must be not to understand that!

Based on the line above, there's even hope, genius, that your idea of an afterlife is eventually supported by NDEs as we become more advanced in our scientific research. But you can't even wrap your head around that. As soon as you saw anything "scientific," I'm sure you shut down.

The world is flat is a theory itself, but it is not a theory that supports your rejection of an afterlife. You have nothing but your ardent hope that NDEs will be wholeheartedly debunked.

Besides, the world is flat theory was supported by people like you. Those who debunked the world is flat theory did not do so with science, they debunked it with their own experience of sailing around the world or sailing beyond the horizon and returning. Thats what NDE'ers did, they are debunking the myth that there is no afterlife through their experiences.

[Anonymous]

Shall I call you an oaf now? Or a buffoon? Or an illiterate? I know its hard but try hard to argue on the merits without needing to tantrum your way through a DCUM discussion with insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing 11:08! As another poster mentioned, nderf.org is full of similar accounts (going back home, "how could I have forgotten?" Etc) and has changed my view on religio/faith (it's stronger now) and ideas on an afterlife.

The naysayers will find out eventually but for now they're clearly intent on sounding salty and soulless.

Maybe that's the brain's way of shutting down - feeling at one with the universe - not struggling, feeling loved. A pretty nice final memory.

I thought about that. But there would have to be a biological reason for that, wouldn't there? If there is nothing after death, then why would it matter what your final memory is? Everything our body does, it does for a reason. What would be the reason for a peaceful death, biologically speaking?