Bad Parenting 101- "Why I Rejected Plan B After my DIsabled Dughter was Raped"

[Anonymous]

I agree with the PPs who have pointed out that the whole thing seems very fishy.

But regardless, if we're discussing the moral merits of the supposed story, here is my take:

Why is it the mom's choice? This kid is at least 12 or so, since the Plan B would only be brought up if she is fertile. What kind of mom wouldn't have some kind of discussion with the child and her other parent, if there is one?

Choice means the woman who faces pregnancy gets to make a choice, not her mom.

[Anonymous]

MYOB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MYOB

Um, the woman who wrote the article doesn't see it your way. She made her business pretty available for public discussion.

Disgusting that she would use such a personal situation to further her anti-abortion campaign....and exploit her mentally handicapped daughter to boot.

Seriously, still feeling literally sick after reading that garbage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PPs who have pointed out that the whole thing seems very fishy.

But regardless, if we're discussing the moral merits of the supposed story, here is my take:

Why is it the mom's choice? This kid is at least 12 or so, since the Plan B would only be brought up if she is fertile. What kind of mom wouldn't have some kind of discussion with the child and her other parent, if there is one?

Choice means the woman who faces pregnancy gets to make a choice, not her mom.

The mom has the choice here because her daughter is mentally handicapped. Which makes the fact that she made that choice and wrote that article even more disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Choice means the woman who faces pregnancy gets to make a choice, not her mom.

So if a woman is disabled and unable to make a decision, who should make the choice?

[Anonymous]

From one of the comments on her original blog post:

I can understand a mother wanting to care for her child. Logically, though, failing to prevent pregnancy in a bipolar woman can be much worse than just giving her the Plan B. I assume she is on meds: those will have to changed, either stopped entirely or cut down. Taking the meds while pregnant has been known to cause miscarriages and birth defects, some fatal. Being off the meds, however, and being hormonal in addition to bipolar can seriously aggravate the condition, especially suicidal ideation.

It's not an easy choice. But if it were me, I would risk losing a potential baby instead of risking the lives of both my daughter and her baby."

This is incredibly similar to the hypothetical proposed recently on one of the epic Komen/PP threads here. I think it was: What if your embryo had a disease that your teenaged child could cure by donating his/her kidney? Or something like that.

This woman is railroading her daughter's physical, mental and emotional health for the sake of a blastocyst. I will NEVER understand it.

[Anonymous]

Whoops, screwed up the quote tags...

From one of the comments on her original blog post:

I can understand a mother wanting to care for her child. Logically, though, failing to prevent pregnancy in a bipolar woman can be much worse than just giving her the Plan B. I assume she is on meds: those will have to changed, either stopped entirely or cut down. Taking the meds while pregnant has been known to cause miscarriages and birth defects, some fatal. Being off the meds, however, and being hormonal in addition to bipolar can seriously aggravate the condition, especially suicidal ideation.

It's not an easy choice. But if it were me, I would risk losing a potential baby instead of risking the lives of both my daughter and her baby."

This is incredibly similar to the hypothetical proposed recently on one of the epic Komen/PP threads here. I think it was: What if your embryo had a disease that your teenaged child could cure by donating his/her kidney? Or something like that.

This woman is railroading her daughter's physical, mental and emotional health for the sake of a blastocyst. I will NEVER understand it.

[Anonymous]

"no child conceived in rape is innocent"

As a rape victim myself, I find this statement extremely troubling. Perhaps it was just spoken in anger and pain, but I cannot let it go without comment.

A child is innocent of his or her parents' sins and mistakes. A great deal of evil is visited on innocent children around the world and throughout time due to this mistaken idea that they share the blame for something they did not do.

Should children of rape and incest, when discovered, be executed? What about children conceived in anger, or revenge, or oppression, or dishonesty, or spite? Or should they just be ostracized, hated, and ignored? What about those conceived out of wedlock, or within an unhappy or unbalanced marriage?

No, because they are innocent. They are children.

Those who are unequivocally pro-life believe life deserves protection from the moment of conception (not implantation) to the moment of natural death. So causing an abortion of a newly conceived life is the moral equivalent of executing a newborn because her father was a rapist.

This mother put her beliefs in action. Her daughter agreed with her decision. All of the mother's children are adopted, and her daughter who was raped may have resulted from rape herself. She made her choice, and she made it with love.

The death penalty is a separate issue, because it does not involve innocent life. Saying all children conceived in rape deserve to die is depraved.

For the record, I am pro-life and against the death penalty, and I would do what that mother did.

[Anonymous]

What really drives the nail in the coffin here is that there is no evidence plan-B actually works to prevent implantation...just ovulation and/or fertilization.

Fact sheet: http://www.cecinfo.org/PDF/ICEC_MOA_10_14.pdf

SMH

Don't these people know how reproduction works? It takes DAYS for the sperm to travel to meet the egg...plan B prevents them from meeting. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that would also be morally "wrong" for this mother. Ugh. Remember, the Catholic church is against all forms of contraception. Until recently they discouraged use of condoms in Africa....

I just can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"no child conceived in rape is innocent"

As a rape victim myself, I find this statement extremely troubling. Perhaps it was just spoken in anger and pain, but I cannot let it go without comment.

A child is innocent of his or her parents' sins and mistakes. A great deal of evil is visited on innocent children around the world and throughout time due to this mistaken idea that they share the blame for something they did not do.

Should children of rape and incest, when discovered, be executed? What about children conceived in anger, or revenge, or oppression, or dishonesty, or spite? Or should they just be ostracized, hated, and ignored? What about those conceived out of wedlock, or within an unhappy or unbalanced marriage?

No, because they are innocent. They are children.

Those who are unequivocally pro-life believe life deserves protection from the moment of conception (not implantation) to the moment of natural death. So causing an abortion of a newly conceived life is the moral equivalent of executing a newborn because her father was a rapist.

This mother put her beliefs in action. Her daughter agreed with her decision. All of the mother's children are adopted, and her daughter who was raped may have resulted from rape herself. She made her choice, and she made it with love.

The death penalty is a separate issue, because it does not involve innocent life. Saying all children conceived in rape deserve to die is depraved.

For the record, I am pro-life and against the death penalty, and I would do what that mother did.

Her daughter does not have the mental capacity to make the choice, so lets leave her out of this. If you're saying you'd do the same thing, I judge you. Just like you would judge me for making a different choice. However, I'm not going to be out there trying to make it illegal for you to make the choice this mother made. You, however, ARE trying to make other mother's choices illegal. Let's just drop the choice jargon okay? You don't believe in choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really drives the nail in the coffin here is that there is no evidence plan-B actually works to prevent implantation...just ovulation and/or fertilization.

Fact sheet: http://www.cecinfo.org/PDF/ICEC_MOA_10_14.pdf

SMH

Don't these people know how reproduction works? It takes DAYS for the sperm to travel to meet the egg...plan B prevents them from meeting. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that would also be morally "wrong" for this mother. Ugh. Remember, the Catholic church is against all forms of contraception. Until recently they discouraged use of condoms in Africa....

I just can't.

Clearly, you do not know how reproduction works.

Sperm can be in the Fallopian tubes within 30 minutes. Plan B can prevent IMPLANTATION, which is post-conception. The mother and her daughter believe it is immoral to end an innocent human life from conception onwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-choice (I've had a termination myself) - but I found her story increadable strong.

It's not my place to judge someone elses choice. That is the thing about being pro-CHOICE. It is her choice to make. And she made it.

No, she wasn't brutaly raped and she is making the choice for someone who in mentally, emotionally, and perhaps, physically incapable of even understanding what has happened and what will happen. All rape, incest victims should be given Plan b.

We don't get to make that call. It's her child. I don't want you telling me what I should with my child. I'm sure you don't want me telling you what you should do with your child.

That is why we live in this country....so we have choices. Yes, I have a belief system. I think she should have given her daughter the pill. I would have given my daughter the pill. But, again....it is her disabled, possible underaged daughter. We don't get to make that choice for her.

If you agree with freedom, you agree to protect those freedoms even if you disagree with them. If you are pro-choice, you have to agree to protect that choice, even if they make a choice you disagree with.

That is what is so hard about America.

That doesn't work in this case. If the story were- why i chose not to use plan b after rape- then I would support her uninformed decision. But she is making the choice for her daughter- a choice not in her best interests.

You are basing this on a blog post (a possible fictional post) in a pro-life online website. IF the story is true (doubtful) and IF the daughter is unable to make her own decisions then while I disagree with the mothers choice, I have to respect her right to make it.

However, the whole story sounds a bit...far fetched to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"no child conceived in rape is innocent"

As a rape victim myself, I find this statement extremely troubling. Perhaps it was just spoken in anger and pain, but I cannot let it go without comment.

A child is innocent of his or her parents' sins and mistakes. A great deal of evil is visited on innocent children around the world and throughout time due to this mistaken idea that they share the blame for something they did not do.

Should children of rape and incest, when discovered, be executed? What about children conceived in anger, or revenge, or oppression, or dishonesty, or spite? Or should they just be ostracized, hated, and ignored? What about those conceived out of wedlock, or within an unhappy or unbalanced marriage?

No, because they are innocent. They are children.

Those who are unequivocally pro-life believe life deserves protection from the moment of conception (not implantation) to the moment of natural death. So causing an abortion of a newly conceived life is the moral equivalent of executing a newborn because her father was a rapist.

This mother put her beliefs in action. Her daughter agreed with her decision. All of the mother's children are adopted, and her daughter who was raped may have resulted from rape herself. She made her choice, and she made it with love.

The death penalty is a separate issue, because it does not involve innocent life. Saying all children conceived in rape deserve to die is depraved.

For the record, I am pro-life and against the death penalty, and I would do what that mother did.

No one said this.

The OP of the quote you highlighted was a rape victim whose parents made the choice for her to carry the pregnancy. You twisted her words to suit your agenda. typical. I believe her point was that being the child of a rape victim is a burden, perhaps she can clarify. I highly doubt she meant what you say she did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really drives the nail in the coffin here is that there is no evidence plan-B actually works to prevent implantation...just ovulation and/or fertilization.

Fact sheet: http://www.cecinfo.org/PDF/ICEC_MOA_10_14.pdf

SMH

Don't these people know how reproduction works? It takes DAYS for the sperm to travel to meet the egg...plan B prevents them from meeting. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that would also be morally "wrong" for this mother. Ugh. Remember, the Catholic church is against all forms of contraception. Until recently they discouraged use of condoms in Africa....

I just can't.

Clearly, you do not know how reproduction works.

Sperm can be in the Fallopian tubes within 30 minutes. Plan B can prevent IMPLANTATION, which is post-conception. The mother and her daughter believe it is immoral to end an innocent human life from conception onwards.

Since you didn't READ THE FACT SHEET:

Inhibition or delay of ovulation is LNG ECP’s principal mechanism of action.
• Review of the evidence suggests that LNG ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language
on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling.
• The fact that LNG ECPs have no demonstrated effect on implantation explains why they are not 100%
effective in preventing pregnancy, and are less effective the later they are taken. Women should be given
a clear message that ECPs are more effective the sooner they are taken

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really drives the nail in the coffin here is that there is no evidence plan-B actually works to prevent implantation...just ovulation and/or fertilization.

Fact sheet: http://www.cecinfo.org/PDF/ICEC_MOA_10_14.pdf

SMH

Don't these people know how reproduction works? It takes DAYS for the sperm to travel to meet the egg...plan B prevents them from meeting. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that would also be morally "wrong" for this mother. Ugh. Remember, the Catholic church is against all forms of contraception. Until recently they discouraged use of condoms in Africa....

I just can't.

Clearly, you do not know how reproduction works.

Sperm can be in the Fallopian tubes within 30 minutes. Plan B can prevent IMPLANTATION, which is post-conception. The mother and her daughter believe it is immoral to end an innocent human life from conception onwards.

Since you didn't READ THE FACT SHEET:

Inhibition or delay of ovulation is LNG ECP’s principal mechanism of action.
• Review of the evidence suggests that LNG ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language
on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling.
• The fact that LNG ECPs have no demonstrated effect on implantation explains why they are not 100%
effective in preventing pregnancy, and are less effective the later they are taken. Women should be given
a clear message that ECPs are more effective the sooner they are taken

I'm the OP you quoted. I meant HOURS, not days. The average is 12-24 hours (and this is why you're supposed to take plan B within the first 24 hours for it to work). Viable sperm can hang out for a few days before fertilizing, but it's rare.