Bad Parenting 101- "Why I Rejected Plan B After my DIsabled Dughter was Raped"

[Anonymous]

I applaud you for your tempered, well-considered opinion. I must disagree, though. I'm not really concerned whether some people beleive that an unfertilized egg is a person- it's just not, not anymore than a corporation is a person, though the law says they are. It's not in the best interest of a child to bear pregnancy after such a traumatic event and that is simply bad parenting to choose otherwise.

Plan B contraceptives work in a couple of ways - they can prevent ovulation, fertilization, or implantation. So in some cases, Plan B prevents implantation of a fertilized egg - to some people, life begins at the moment of conception, i.e., when the egg is fertilized. You may not consider that fertilized egg to be a person, but some do.

I'm not taking a position one way or the other here, just clarifying that in the context of Plan B, we are not talking only about unfertilized eggs or disrupting/impeding the process of fertilization. Sometimes that has already taken place by the time Plan B is used.

[Anonymous]

Plan B should be available in vending machines on the street (preferably free).

Any woman who doesn't want to get or be pregnant for any reason should have every option available to her to end the pregnancy at will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if you don't think it's life from the moment of conception, don't you understand that some people do?

That some people believe that it is a human being that is being killed even if it's mother is disabled and its father is a scum rapist?

So you don't share those beliefs, fine, but why do you judge them?

And I imagine you confess a belief in choice, that a woman should be able to choose an abortion, and that the guardians of a woman with disabilities should be able to choose to give her plan b or have an abortion...then why can't they make the other choice, even if it is a difference choice that you would make?

I can at least understand when people have internally consistent beliefs, but often people who have the opinion you specify are also very pro-death penalty. So the "life is life" argument just doesn't hold much water with me.

[Anonymous]

Plan B is NOT the abortion pill. God help us all if these are the nutso people out there picketing over my ovary rights.

[Anonymous]

After the police called me to tell me she’d been found, the officer asked me to meet him at the clinic and be reunited with my daughter. When I arrived, I was led to the Gloria Steinem Conference Room. I’m not kidding; that alone almost made me pass out.

Your daughter had been missing for 48 hours and brutally raped, and the name of the conference room at the women's shelter where people were taking care of your daughter is what almost made you pass out?

I'm thinking - hoping? - along with this guy - http://www.junkland.net/2012/02/pro-lifer-creates-plan-b-daughter-rape.html - that this is a hoax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

After the police called me to tell me she’d been found, the officer asked me to meet him at the clinic and be reunited with my daughter. When I arrived, I was led to the Gloria Steinem Conference Room. I’m not kidding; that alone almost made me pass out.

Your daughter had been missing for 48 hours and brutally raped, and the name of the conference room at the women's shelter where people were taking care of your daughter is what almost made you pass out?

I'm thinking - hoping? - along with this guy - http://www.junkland.net/2012/02/pro-lifer-creates-plan-b-daughter-rape.html - that this is a hoax.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you don't think it's life from the moment of conception, don't you understand that some people do?

That some people believe that it is a human being that is being killed even if it's mother is disabled and its father is a scum rapist?

So you don't share those beliefs, fine, but why do you judge them?

And I imagine you confess a belief in choice, that a woman should be able to choose an abortion, and that the guardians of a woman with disabilities should be able to choose to give her plan b or have an abortion...then why can't they make the other choice, even if it is a difference choice that you would make?

I can at least understand when people have internally consistent beliefs, but often people who have the opinion you specify are also very pro-death penalty. So the "life is life" argument just doesn't hold much water with me.

I don't know of any surveys on what percentage of people who believe that life is life from the moment of conception are opposed to the death penalty, but I know that I'm the pp you quoted, and I am personally opposed to the death penalty. I have no idea if the person who wrote the article is pro-death penalty or anti-death penalty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stumbled across this while researching shareholder demands- went to Pepsi and the fetal cells article- to this...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-i-rejected-plan-b-after-my-disabled-daughter-was-raped

"Why I Rejected Plan B After my Disabled Dughter was Raped"

This woman chose junk science and twisted morality over the health of her own daughter. Disgusting.

Yes, it i disgusting and misguided. Maybe the daughter's biological mother was raped and this crazy, selfish adopted mother would put the girl through this. I cannot even begin to describe my disgust. Having been brutaally raped at 18 and forced (by equally misguided parents) to carry child to term, I can speak with personal knowledge and as far as I am concerned, no child conceived in rape is innocent because it does so much harm to the woman who has to carry and give birth to the bastard. Yes, I m still furious and have had many, many years of counselling. When a woman is raped it isn't just her body but her very soul that is violated.

I am so, so, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you don't think it's life from the moment of conception, don't you understand that some people do?

That some people believe that it is a human being that is being killed even if it's mother is disabled and its father is a scum rapist?

So you don't share those beliefs, fine, but why do you judge them?

And I imagine you confess a belief in choice, that a woman should be able to choose an abortion, and that the guardians of a woman with disabilities should be able to choose to give her plan b or have an abortion...then why can't they make the other choice, even if it is a difference choice that you would make?

I can at least understand when people have internally consistent beliefs, but often people who have the opinion you specify are also very pro-death penalty. So the "life is life" argument just doesn't hold much water with me.

I don't know of any surveys on what percentage of people who believe that life is life from the moment of conception are opposed to the death penalty, but I know that I'm the pp you quoted, and I am personally opposed to the death penalty. I have no idea if the person who wrote the article is pro-death penalty or anti-death penalty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/figuring-faith/post/like-rick-perry-most-pro-life-americans-ok-with-death-penalty/2011/09/15/gIQAV06XUK_blog.html

I think you are in the minority of prolifers. Thinking of most Republican politicians who are pro-life, I can't think of any who are anti-death penalty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stumbled across this while researching shareholder demands- went to Pepsi and the fetal cells article- to this...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-i-rejected-plan-b-after-my-disabled-daughter-was-raped

"Why I Rejected Plan B After my Disabled Dughter was Raped"

This woman chose junk science and twisted morality over the health of her own daughter. Disgusting.

Yes, it i disgusting and misguided. Maybe the daughter's biological mother was raped and this crazy, selfish adopted mother would put the girl through this. I cannot even begin to describe my disgust. Having been brutaally raped at 18 and forced (by equally misguided parents) to carry child to term, I can speak with personal knowledge and as far as I am concerned, no child conceived in rape is innocent because it does so much harm to the woman who has to carry and give birth to the bastard. Yes, I m still furious and have had many, many years of counselling. When a woman is raped it isn't just her body but her very soul that is violated.

There is no Internet way to adequately say the sympathy I feel for you. I am so so very sorry for those doubly difficult blows.

[Anonymous]

She arrives at the hospital or shelter or whatever, and they tell her that she has to wait to see her daughter? And she sits down in the conference room and patiently waits? I'd push the nurse out of my way and break down the door if I had to. This doesn't ring true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-choice (I've had a termination myself) - but I found her story increadable strong.

It's not my place to judge someone elses choice. That is the thing about being pro-CHOICE. It is her choice to make. And she made it.

No, she wasn't brutaly raped and she is making the choice for someone who in mentally, emotionally, and perhaps, physically incapable of even understanding what has happened and what will happen. All rape, incest victims should be given Plan b.

We don't get to make that call. It's her child. I don't want you telling me what I should with my child. I'm sure you don't want me telling you what you should do with your child.

That is why we live in this country....so we have choices. Yes, I have a belief system. I think she should have given her daughter the pill. I would have given my daughter the pill. But, again....it is her disabled, possible underaged daughter. We don't get to make that choice for her.

If you agree with freedom, you agree to protect those freedoms even if you disagree with them. If you are pro-choice, you have to agree to protect that choice, even if they make a choice you disagree with.

That is what is so hard about America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you don't think it's life from the moment of conception, don't you understand that some people do?

That some people believe that it is a human being that is being killed even if it's mother is disabled and its father is a scum rapist?

So you don't share those beliefs, fine, but why do you judge them?

And I imagine you confess a belief in choice, that a woman should be able to choose an abortion, and that the guardians of a woman with disabilities should be able to choose to give her plan b or have an abortion...then why can't they make the other choice, even if it is a difference choice that you would make?

I can at least understand when people have internally consistent beliefs, but often people who have the opinion you specify are also very pro-death penalty. So the "life is life" argument just doesn't hold much water with me.

I don't know of any surveys on what percentage of people who believe that life is life from the moment of conception are opposed to the death penalty, but I know that I'm the pp you quoted, and I am personally opposed to the death penalty. I have no idea if the person who wrote the article is pro-death penalty or anti-death penalty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/figuring-faith/post/like-rick-perry-most-pro-life-americans-ok-with-death-penalty/2011/09/15/gIQAV06XUK_blog.html

I think you are in the minority of prolifers. Thinking of most Republican politicians who are pro-life, I can't think of any who are anti-death penalty.

I am also pro-life in all aspects- anti-death penalty, vegetarian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-choice (I've had a termination myself) - but I found her story increadable strong.

It's not my place to judge someone elses choice. That is the thing about being pro-CHOICE. It is her choice to make. And she made it.

No, she wasn't brutaly raped and she is making the choice for someone who in mentally, emotionally, and perhaps, physically incapable of even understanding what has happened and what will happen. All rape, incest victims should be given Plan b.

We don't get to make that call. It's her child. I don't want you telling me what I should with my child. I'm sure you don't want me telling you what you should do with your child.

That is why we live in this country....so we have choices. Yes, I have a belief system. I think she should have given her daughter the pill. I would have given my daughter the pill. But, again....it is her disabled, possible underaged daughter. We don't get to make that choice for her.

If you agree with freedom, you agree to protect those freedoms even if you disagree with them. If you are pro-choice, you have to agree to protect that choice, even if they make a choice you disagree with.

That is what is so hard about America.

No one is debating whether this mother should have the choice to not give her daughter plan B. We are outraged that a mother would make that choice. Wish I could say the same for the crazy pro-lifers who won't just settle for judging me for my choices...they're the ones who are hell bent on taking choices away by saying a blastocyst is a person worthy of protection under the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-choice (I've had a termination myself) - but I found her story increadable strong.

It's not my place to judge someone elses choice. That is the thing about being pro-CHOICE. It is her choice to make. And she made it.

No, she wasn't brutaly raped and she is making the choice for someone who in mentally, emotionally, and perhaps, physically incapable of even understanding what has happened and what will happen. All rape, incest victims should be given Plan b.

We don't get to make that call. It's her child. I don't want you telling me what I should with my child. I'm sure you don't want me telling you what you should do with your child.

That is why we live in this country....so we have choices. Yes, I have a belief system. I think she should have given her daughter the pill. I would have given my daughter the pill. But, again....it is her disabled, possible underaged daughter. We don't get to make that choice for her.

If you agree with freedom, you agree to protect those freedoms even if you disagree with them. If you are pro-choice, you have to agree to protect that choice, even if they make a choice you disagree with.

That is what is so hard about America.

That doesn't work in this case. If the story were- why i chose not to use plan b after rape- then I would support her uninformed decision. But she is making the choice for her daughter- a choice not in her best interests.