Reality Check: Inside America’s Next Top Model

[Anonymous]

Trust me, a lot of people found Tyra's behavior/the producers' behavior grotesque even back then. This is not a case of "applying a modern lens" to something that didn't need it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

She passed out during which means she could not legally consent. I assume nobody thought that way 25 years ago, but we do now and that wasn't managed well in the docu thing.

Ok, thanks. Definitely not blaming her but it would have been a great teachable moment to show or discuss what wasn’t seen.

I only listened (while walking) to when the model first discussed it but then was watching the part when it was reshown on Tyra’s show. It would be so powerful for kids to see and hear people saying:

- she was passed out
- she was non responsive
- she was incoherent
- she was uncommunicative

Etc. to show this was rape. In no way am I blaming this then-kid, but it is such a vital topic now, it is a huge missed opportunity to not show or discuss this. Yes, years ago silence wasn’t really taken as a no but this wasn’t showing it. No clips? Then say: “what wasn’t shown is that after this….”

Awful that so many were around her and failed to stop or help…even afterwards - speaking up and getting her help. I don’t mean just the other models. This poor girl…

[Anonymous]

The cruelty of the show was the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

We used to blame the woman for drinking too much.

Not the man, for having sex with someone who was unable to give consent.

(Can you imagine a woman of that size drinking two bottles of wine? No wonder she passed/blacked out. The show should have intervened.)

But she knew she’d had sex. That’s different from blacking out unless they told her. I just wish she was a connection bw how she and the show portrayed it and present time (they told me we’d had sex, i saw her unconscious, we saw him on top of her and she was out of it, etc.) again, absolutely no blaming her but I wish they connected the past to the present.

a) you are blaming her
b) she said she could "feel sex happening".
You only want to hear more so you can blame her harder. Take your misogyny and GFY, try supporting women who've been sexually assaulted instead of attempting to constantly revictimize them.

You've got issues. None of what you've made up in your rant is remotely true to me. I never said anything about blaming her or that she wasn't assaulted. I said that the way it was portrayed did a disservice to the girl and sexual assault in general - stop creating a narrative that was never coming from me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

She passed out during which means she could not legally consent. I assume nobody thought that way 25 years ago, but we do now and that wasn't managed well in the docu thing.

Ok, thanks. Definitely not blaming her but it would have been a great teachable moment to show or discuss what wasn’t seen.

I only listened (while walking) to when the model first discussed it but then was watching the part when it was reshown on Tyra’s show. It would be so powerful for kids to see and hear people saying:

- she was passed out
- she was non responsive
- she was incoherent
- she was uncommunicative

Etc. to show this was rape. In no way am I blaming this then-kid, but it is such a vital topic now, it is a huge missed opportunity to not show or discuss this. Yes, years ago silence wasn’t really taken as a no but this wasn’t showing it. No clips? Then say: “what wasn’t shown is that after this….”

Awful that so many were around her and failed to stop or help…even afterwards - speaking up and getting her help. I don’t mean just the other models. This poor girl…

Are you saying you want to see and/or hear the details of her assault? Did you want her to recount the trauma play-by-play for you? Did you want to watch the footage? Her trauma is not your teachable moment. Every time the footage is shown and she has to talk about it is probably re-traumatizing her. We can teach consent without forcing victims to the stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

She passed out during which means she could not legally consent. I assume nobody thought that way 25 years ago, but we do now and that wasn't managed well in the docu thing.

Ok, thanks. Definitely not blaming her but it would have been a great teachable moment to show or discuss what wasn’t seen.

I only listened (while walking) to when the model first discussed it but then was watching the part when it was reshown on Tyra’s show. It would be so powerful for kids to see and hear people saying:

- she was passed out
- she was non responsive
- she was incoherent
- she was uncommunicative

Etc. to show this was rape. In no way am I blaming this then-kid, but it is such a vital topic now, it is a huge missed opportunity to not show or discuss this. Yes, years ago silence wasn’t really taken as a no but this wasn’t showing it. No clips? Then say: “what wasn’t shown is that after this….”

Awful that so many were around her and failed to stop or help…even afterwards - speaking up and getting her help. I don’t mean just the other models. This poor girl…

Are you saying you want to see and/or hear the details of her assault? Did you want her to recount the trauma play-by-play for you? Did you want to watch the footage? Her trauma is not your teachable moment. Every time the footage is shown and she has to talk about it is probably re-traumatizing her. We can teach consent without forcing victims to the stage.

you’re looking for something that isn’t there and isn’t my view. What I would have hoped is that they don’t show her wide awake and participating. I would like them to say: it doesn’t show that she was x and this was an assault OR say the video gave a false representation - she was x and this was assault. It does a disservice to her and other girls to show Y and give no explanation.

I’m not responding further to you and your grinding axe.

[Anonymous]

Danielle is gorgeous!

Tyra is being sued for her DC ice cream shop that never happened: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/tyra-banks-sued-for-2-8-million-over-dc-ice-cream-shop/4032746/

Tyra glossed over a lot of the harm she caused in the documentary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

It doesn’t really tell this side. It showed Eva Marcille’s social media followers being 5 mill+ but that’s it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

She passed out during which means she could not legally consent. I assume nobody thought that way 25 years ago, but we do now and that wasn't managed well in the docu thing.

Ok, thanks. Definitely not blaming her but it would have been a great teachable moment to show or discuss what wasn’t seen.

I only listened (while walking) to when the model first discussed it but then was watching the part when it was reshown on Tyra’s show. It would be so powerful for kids to see and hear people saying:

- she was passed out
- she was non responsive
- she was incoherent
- she was uncommunicative

Etc. to show this was rape. In no way am I blaming this then-kid, but it is such a vital topic now, it is a huge missed opportunity to not show or discuss this. Yes, years ago silence wasn’t really taken as a no but this wasn’t showing it. No clips? Then say: “what wasn’t shown is that after this….”

Awful that so many were around her and failed to stop or help…even afterwards - speaking up and getting her help. I don’t mean just the other models. This poor girl…

Are you saying you want to see and/or hear the details of her assault? Did you want her to recount the trauma play-by-play for you? Did you want to watch the footage? Her trauma is not your teachable moment. Every time the footage is shown and she has to talk about it is probably re-traumatizing her. We can teach consent without forcing victims to the stage.

you’re looking for something that isn’t there and isn’t my view. What I would have hoped is that they don’t show her wide awake and participating. I would like them to say: it doesn’t show that she was x and this was an assault OR say the video gave a false representation - she was x and this was assault. It does a disservice to her and other girls to show Y and give no explanation.

I’m not responding further to you and your grinding axe.

And I’m saying that it should never have been their decision to show or say anything at all. It should always be up to the survivor. She had no choice in the matter. They chose to film it and then chose to air heavily edited parts of it. We should never assume “This is a good teachable moment” and use a survivor’s story as a lesson without their explicit consent. Again, we can teach consent without forcing survivors to the front.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've only watched the first episode. I'm puzzled why Janice Dickinson isn't positioned as more of the bad guy. Tyra definitely looks more sane/caring compared to Janice.

Probably because she is dead, and can’t defend herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've only watched the first episode. I'm puzzled why Janice Dickinson isn't positioned as more of the bad guy. Tyra definitely looks more sane/caring compared to Janice.

Probably because she is dead, and can’t defend herself.

Janice D is alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

It doesn’t really tell this side. It showed Eva Marcille’s social media followers being 5 mill+ but that’s it.

Did you watch all of the episodes? It tells who went on to model, how their careers went, what they are doing now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

It doesn’t really tell this side. It showed Eva Marcille’s social media followers being 5 mill+ but that’s it.

Did you watch all of the episodes? It tells who went on to model, how their careers went, what they are doing now.

One was a realtor. One did a little modeling. At no point did it say x became a top model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

It doesn’t really tell this side. It showed Eva Marcille’s social media followers being 5 mill+ but that’s it.

Did you watch all of the episodes? It tells who went on to model, how their careers went, what they are doing now.

One was a realtor. One did a little modeling. At no point did it say x became a top model.

WINNIE HARLOW. She was mentioned in the show for those of us who pay attention.