Winter BIC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BIC is not a good event. It does not get girls recruited. Deemer is nice guy but its a money maker nothing more.

It’s a money maker and their event in June gets minimal kids in front of many coaches, and that is what matters.

The track record is there. How many 2027 star (4-5) players were not at BIC? I’d guess all of them.

So if stars matter (they do) then BIC matters.

I’ve said this before, but women’s lax does not have a tiny fraction of resources to recruit that football does and look at how bad football is at evaluating talent.

Example, of the four players invited to Heisman, 2 of 4 were zero or 2 star recruits. Think about that for a second.

Correlation does not imply causation. They aren’t 4 and 5 star players BECAUSE they attend BIC.

They are future 4 or 5 star players who decide to attend BIC. That caliber in and of itself may be reason to want to attend, but don't think attending is going to give anyone stars or vice versa.

False. They got evaluated there or was good enough to get invite.

You don’t have the fundamental understanding of BIC IL evaluations.

lol. They get evaluated in many many places. It seems like you’re the one with a limited understanding.

Sure evaluations can happen at many IL events, but you won’t get star recognition if not at BIC.

Like NFL combine, you can get drafted without invite to combine, but good luck with that.

This is just false. Why are you so determined to spread this propaganda?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BIC is not a good event. It does not get girls recruited. Deemer is nice guy but its a money maker nothing more.

It’s a money maker and their event in June gets minimal kids in front of many coaches, and that is what matters.

The track record is there. How many 2027 star (4-5) players were not at BIC? I’d guess all of them.

So if stars matter (they do) then BIC matters.

I’ve said this before, but women’s lax does not have a tiny fraction of resources to recruit that football does and look at how bad football is at evaluating talent.

Example, of the four players invited to Heisman, 2 of 4 were zero or 2 star recruits. Think about that for a second.

Correlation does not imply causation. They aren’t 4 and 5 star players BECAUSE they attend BIC.

They are future 4 or 5 star players who decide to attend BIC. That caliber in and of itself may be reason to want to attend, but don't think attending is going to give anyone stars or vice versa.

False. They got evaluated there or was good enough to get invite.

You don’t have the fundamental understanding of BIC IL evaluations.

lol. They get evaluated in many many places. It seems like you’re the one with a limited understanding.

Sure evaluations can happen at many IL events, but you won’t get star recognition if not at BIC.

Like NFL combine, you can get drafted without invite to combine, but good luck with that.

This is just false. Why are you so determined to spread this propaganda?

I have to assume it is a parent of a younger player who has not been through the process before and is making certain assumptions. In my experience, a player can get noticed in a number of ways, including BIC. BIC is good, but it’s not a prerequisite for high level D1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BIC is not a good event. It does not get girls recruited. Deemer is nice guy but its a money maker nothing more.

It’s a money maker and their event in June gets minimal kids in front of many coaches, and that is what matters.

The track record is there. How many 2027 star (4-5) players were not at BIC? I’d guess all of them.

So if stars matter (they do) then BIC matters.

I’ve said this before, but women’s lax does not have a tiny fraction of resources to recruit that football does and look at how bad football is at evaluating talent.

Example, of the four players invited to Heisman, 2 of 4 were zero or 2 star recruits. Think about that for a second.

Correlation does not imply causation. They aren’t 4 and 5 star players BECAUSE they attend BIC.

They are future 4 or 5 star players who decide to attend BIC. That caliber in and of itself may be reason to want to attend, but don't think attending is going to give anyone stars or vice versa.

False. They got evaluated there or was good enough to get invite.

You don’t have the fundamental understanding of BIC IL evaluations.

lol. They get evaluated in many many places. It seems like you’re the one with a limited understanding.

Sure evaluations can happen at many IL events, but you won’t get star recognition if not at BIC.

Like NFL combine, you can get drafted without invite to combine, but good luck with that.

This is just false. Why are you so determined to spread this propaganda?

Specifically what is false?

[Anonymous]

it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

[Anonymous]

four not foreign

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Accidentally posted above response to your post, though realize we're arguing same point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Hard to say who the “low tier” players are since stars aren’t given until Aug of Junior year but perfect example of this is Clemson goalie 2027 commit.

Also should note, I’m specifically referring to this last recruiting cycle, things were different for 24/25 grads, BIC has grown and taken over much more, same way US150 is now replaced by Juniors Open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

I’m just sharing my experience, and things can change for the 28-29 class, but I’ll ask again, what star ranked 2027 kid was not at BIC? If the answer is “none”, I think I have my point, if the answer is several, name them…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

I’m just sharing my experience, and things can change for the 28-29 class, but I’ll ask again, what star ranked 2027 kid was not at BIC? If the answer is “none”, I think I have my point, if the answer is several, name them…

No one has the time to compare and contrast rosters and stars. But even if there is significant overlap - this does not imply causation!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

I’m just sharing my experience, and things can change for the 28-29 class, but I’ll ask again, what star ranked 2027 kid was not at BIC? If the answer is “none”, I think I have my point, if the answer is several, name them…

No one has the time to compare and contrast rosters and stars. But even if there is significant overlap - this does not imply causation!

I’m not talking about”significant overlap”, I’m talking absolutes.

If you don’t see the correlation, I can’t help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

I’m just sharing my experience, and things can change for the 28-29 class, but I’ll ask again, what star ranked 2027 kid was not at BIC? If the answer is “none”, I think I have my point, if the answer is several, name them…

No one has the time to compare and contrast rosters and stars. But even if there is significant overlap - this does not imply causation!

I’m not talking about”significant overlap”, I’m talking absolutes.

If you don’t see the correlation, I can’t help you.

Everyone sees the correlation - but as the saying goes - that does not imply causation! Good lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it does look like most of the foreign five stars were also BIC Invites and top level players on their club and HS as well as recognized early on in their playing as standouts for various skills and positions.

I’d like to know how many of the 5-4 star kids in 2027 were not invited to BIC summer?

After watching 27s close, I’m going with zero but I may have missed 1 or 2. To me, that’s enough to show causation, least in 27 class.

If attending BIC was the causal factor, then wouldn't a lower tier player invited to BIC would immediately become a top-level recruit?

Some girls with stars show that they've never even had an "analysis" write up or rating on Inside Lacrosse. BIC is one piece of data but one does not need to be seen at BIC to receive stars. Inside Lacrosse is not working their ass off at this event to observe and rank 75 different girls. It just so happens BIC has the highest concentration of top talent and thus the most future 4 and 5 star girls happen to attend this event. I realize how dumb it is to keep arguing this as I'm writing. If this person wants to believe this, then they can, but the desperation to attend this event is making people crazy and believing they need to be at BIC to be star rated is only going to add to that.

I’m just sharing my experience, and things can change for the 28-29 class, but I’ll ask again, what star ranked 2027 kid was not at BIC? If the answer is “none”, I think I have my point, if the answer is several, name them…

No one has the time to compare and contrast rosters and stars. But even if there is significant overlap - this does not imply causation!

I’m not talking about”significant overlap”, I’m talking absolutes.

If you don’t see the correlation, I can’t help you.

Everyone sees the correlation - but as the saying goes - that does not imply causation! Good lord.

I’m not even sure what the argument is at this point.

The Stars/rankings are put together by a group of folks at IL including Deemer Class. Class has his own showcase called BIC where the players are evaluated (one of a few).

Stands to reason if you aren’t considered good enough to get invite to BIC, you aren’t going to get a top 100 ranking by these same people.