Winter BIC

[Anonymous]

Are we pretending like these football players aren’t offered in 8th-9th grade before stars are given out?

Bama has their list of kids well before stars, once a kid gets Bama offer they then jump up. True he doesn’t care about stars, the Bama brand is enough

[Anonymous]

There's some great takes on this thread.

IMO do ratings matter? Yes and no.

I think the ratings generate exposure for a player. Maybe player was not on coaches radar before and now takes a look at them because of rating. But end of the day, coaches will evaluate the player and make their own conclusion.

There are also great players who don't go to events and don't get rated. These are the "under the radar" players.

In general, I would say most top players do get noticed, and at some point attend an event where IL can give them evaluate and give a rating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the years you have probably seen a lot of IL ratings for players. Do you feel confident they know what they are doing? At least for me, more often than not, I see players I know well getting higher ratings and more gushing commentary than I would expect.

On balance and over time, and especially when a player gets multiple ratings, its seems to align with comparative play on the field. On a one time basis, I have seen girls who are clearly top 25-50 in the class get relatively low numerical ratings in an individual evaluation--including a couple who will likely be "top 10" on Inside Lacrosse. On the other hand, I have also seen ratings and IL reports from events that don't have a high concentration of top players that seem kind of overweighted--maybe based on solid play against a dearth of competition.

That said, at an event like Best in Class where the standout list is a who's who, they generally get the group of standouts right, although there are still variances in descriptions and ratings. So, individual reports are a a bit of a crapshoot; body of work seems to generally align. All that said, with recent classes, few disagreed with players in IL top 20, but there were also lots of girls that were non-4 stars who were recruited by top programs and will or are succeeding in college.

Lastly, I would be cautious in assuming you know where a player stand versus peers this winter versus, for example, the summer season. Some of these girls are making huge leaps. Athletically, early versus late bloomers are balancing out, and skill and lax IQ are coming forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep feeding the money machine.

I love this guy (or these people) who are always focused on "money", "money grab", etc. You realize you are talking to a lot of people who can afford it, right? You are either holding on the prior system of summer tournaments and club recruiting coordinators, and maybe one or two camps, being enough, or it's FOMO. Why begrudge lacrosse entrepreneurs in the first place? Deemer Class and Matt Dunn are great guys who genuinely care about the sport and the girls game, and, critically, the development of players. Brooke Magnuson at Top Tier, for another example, clearly does as well.

Call it a money machine if you want, but check instagram, check inside lacrosse, etc. That stuff matters. Coaches see it. Build lists with ratings and rankings. And yeah, they ask people like Deemer or Brooke their view on prospects. Changing landscape my friend. Read and react. Let others do what they feel is best for their kid, or just keep being a curmudgeon. Either way, I hope your DD is successful with chasing her goals.

This 100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the years you have probably seen a lot of IL ratings for players. Do you feel confident they know what they are doing? At least for me, more often than not, I see players I know well getting higher ratings and more gushing commentary than I would expect.

On balance and over time, and especially when a player gets multiple ratings, its seems to align with comparative play on the field. On a one time basis, I have seen girls who are clearly top 25-50 in the class get relatively low numerical ratings in an individual evaluation--including a couple who will likely be "top 10" on Inside Lacrosse. On the other hand, I have also seen ratings and IL reports from events that don't have a high concentration of top players that seem kind of overweighted--maybe based on solid play against a dearth of competition.

That said, at an event like Best in Class where the standout list is a who's who, they generally get the group of standouts right, although there are still variances in descriptions and ratings. So, individual reports are a a bit of a crapshoot; body of work seems to generally align. All that said, with recent classes, few disagreed with players in IL top 20, but there were also lots of girls that were non-4 stars who were recruited by top programs and will or are succeeding in college.

Lastly, I would be cautious in assuming you know where a player stand versus peers this winter versus, for example, the summer season. Some of these girls are making huge leaps. Athletically, early versus late bloomers are balancing out, and skill and lax IQ are coming forward.

I was describing players I know who I have seen play for years. I know where they stand. I trust my lying eyes more than some IL evaluation coming from a snapshot view during a 2-day camp. Please.