Rule of Law in US -- blurred lines between "illegal" versus "immoral" or "unethical"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s also the rule of law to serve your country if you get drafted by the military, and yet I’d rather be a deserter than a killer in problematic wars.

Ehh just fake some bone spurs like Big Daddy Trump did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s also the rule of law to serve your country if you get drafted by the military, and yet I’d rather be a deserter than a killer in problematic wars.

Ehh just fake some bone spurs like Big Daddy Trump did.

What exactly is your complaint?

Fact check: Biden, like Trump, received multiple draft deferments from Vietnam
Camille Caldera | USA TODAY | September 16, 2020

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/

[Anonymous]

More ChiCom behavior:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLGTI58tqk5

[Anonymous]

What really disturbs me is ICE officers dressed as masked randos pulling people off the street while a rando dressed as a police officer assassinated a lawmaker and her husband at their home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to ask if it’s “reeeeaaaallllyyyy illegal” to mask up and refuse to ID yourself and cowardly snatch people off the street to make a quota, you also forfeit your right to lecture people on what’s immoral or unethical.

+1 why aren’t you ballyhooing about all the white collar criminals, who were just pardoned by the felon and owe near a billion to state, local, and companies?

How can a person who picked fruit or drove vans, but didn’t have the correct forms be worse than these guys who the felon pardoned, and wiped out their restitution????? Please explain:

Trevor Milton, an electric-truck company owner, who had been convicted of securities fraud and wire fraud in 2023 and sentenced to four years in prison. He was ordered to pay $676m in restitution.

Ross William Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, an online marketplace that sold illegal drugs such as cocaine and heroin. Ulbricht had been convicted of aiding and abetting the distribution of drugs over the internet, continuing criminal enterprise, computer hacking conspiracy, and money laundering conspiracy. He had been sentenced to life in prison. (Ulbricht’s pardon fulfilled a Trump campaign promise.) Ulbricht was ordered to pay almost $184m.

HDR Global Trading Limited, operator of a cryptocurrency exchange that had been ordered to pay a $100m fine for violating the Bank Secrecy Act’s anti-money laundering provisions.

Lawrence Duran, owner of American Therapeutic Corp, a Miami-area mental health company, convicted of multiple counts related to healthcare fraud; Duran was sentenced to 50 years in prison and $87.5m in restitution.

I don’t understand why you’re so convinced we support those pardons. I think they’re outrageous and offensive to the rule of law. I also want most people in the country unlawfully to be deported. Those two things are entirely compatible.

You voted for Trump. You implicitly support those pardons through your silence outside of an anonymous message board. You cannot thread that needle without publicly condemning Trump and getting on the phone to your elected representatives and demanding Trump change his ways.

I don’t vote for Trump. I’ve never voted republican in my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really disturbs me is ICE officers dressed as masked randos pulling people off the street while a rando dressed as a police officer assassinated a lawmaker and her husband at their home.

This is exactly the point. Republicans see this as “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”

[Anonymous]

Well, yes. Sometimes things are immoral and also legal. History tends to look very unkindly on these things.

We also don’t *have* to do the things that are legal but patently immoral. Administrations and agency heads get to decide *how* the law will be executed, and how it won’t. History judges them for their decisions, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, surely you understand that it is and should be illegal for masked thugs who don't identify themselves to grab law-abiding people off the street because they engaged in peaceful protest, or because they look Latino?

Not OP but I think where or not the action is illegal is not the point to be argued. Instead, implore people who support these acts to find their humanity and consider how they would feel if this happened to them. For example, if you were the Tufts student yanked off the street by masked ICE men you would be terrified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, surely you understand that it is and should be illegal for masked thugs who don't identify themselves to grab law-abiding people off the street because they engaged in peaceful protest, or because they look Latino?

Not OP but I think where or not the action is illegal is not the point to be argued. Instead, implore people who support these acts to find their humanity and consider how they would feel if this happened to them. For example, if you were the Tufts student yanked off the street by masked ICE men you would be terrified.

If I killed someone I would be terrified when the police came to arrest me. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t arrest murderers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to ask if it’s “reeeeaaaallllyyyy illegal” to mask up and refuse to ID yourself and cowardly snatch people off the street to make a quota, you also forfeit your right to lecture people on what’s immoral or unethical.

+1 why aren’t you ballyhooing about all the white collar criminals, who were just pardoned by the felon and owe near a billion to state, local, and companies?

How can a person who picked fruit or drove vans, but didn’t have the correct forms be worse than these guys who the felon pardoned, and wiped out their restitution????? Please explain:

Trevor Milton, an electric-truck company owner, who had been convicted of securities fraud and wire fraud in 2023 and sentenced to four years in prison. He was ordered to pay $676m in restitution.

Ross William Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, an online marketplace that sold illegal drugs such as cocaine and heroin. Ulbricht had been convicted of aiding and abetting the distribution of drugs over the internet, continuing criminal enterprise, computer hacking conspiracy, and money laundering conspiracy. He had been sentenced to life in prison. (Ulbricht’s pardon fulfilled a Trump campaign promise.) Ulbricht was ordered to pay almost $184m.

HDR Global Trading Limited, operator of a cryptocurrency exchange that had been ordered to pay a $100m fine for violating the Bank Secrecy Act’s anti-money laundering provisions.

Lawrence Duran, owner of American Therapeutic Corp, a Miami-area mental health company, convicted of multiple counts related to healthcare fraud; Duran was sentenced to 50 years in prison and $87.5m in restitution.

I don’t understand why you’re so convinced we support those pardons. I think they’re outrageous and offensive to the rule of law. I also want most people in the country unlawfully to be deported. Those two things are entirely compatible.

You voted for Trump. You implicitly support those pardons through your silence outside of an anonymous message board. You cannot thread that needle without publicly condemning Trump and getting on the phone to your elected representatives and demanding Trump change his ways.

I don’t vote for Trump. I’ve never voted republican in my life.

Whatever, we’re done here with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, surely you understand that it is and should be illegal for masked thugs who don't identify themselves to grab law-abiding people off the street because they engaged in peaceful protest, or because they look Latino?

Not OP but I think where or not the action is illegal is not the point to be argued. Instead, implore people who support these acts to find their humanity and consider how they would feel if this happened to them. For example, if you were the Tufts student yanked off the street by masked ICE men you would be terrified.

If I killed someone I would be terrified when the police came to arrest me. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t arrest murderers.

The intellectual laziness people will use to justify their cruelty is really something. Sad and gross.

[Anonymous]

In every single ICE arrest the agents identify themselves to the suspect. There is no uncertainty. The migrant knows who is detaining them. They are required by law to do that.

ICE agents (or other law enforcement officers) have no duty to identify themselves to bystanders or activists. There is no law that requires it. There are no policies that require it.

Think of the ICE arrests tactics you’re watching like a prostitution sting. The female officer dressed like a hooker in the seedy hotel room with the creepy guy isn’t wearing her uniform or displaying her badge. Only when it’s time to arrest the “John” do the badges come out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In every single ICE arrest the agents identify themselves to the suspect. There is no uncertainty. The migrant knows who is detaining them. They are required by law to do that.

ICE agents (or other law enforcement officers) have no duty to identify themselves to bystanders or activists. There is no law that requires it. There are no policies that require it.

Think of the ICE arrests tactics you’re watching like a prostitution sting. The female officer dressed like a hooker in the seedy hotel room with the creepy guy isn’t wearing her uniform or displaying her badge. Only when it’s time to arrest the “John” do the badges come out.

If everything is on the up & up, then why are they trying to snatch Americans with brown skin off the street?

There’s at least half a dozen videos in the last week of Americans getting roughed up by ICE or deputized bounty hunters for no reason other than wrong skin @ the wrong place @ the wrong time. Clearly there is no careful investigation being conducted in those cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In every single ICE arrest the agents identify themselves to the suspect. There is no uncertainty. The migrant knows who is detaining them. They are required by law to do that.

ICE agents (or other law enforcement officers) have no duty to identify themselves to bystanders or activists. There is no law that requires it. There are no policies that require it.

Think of the ICE arrests tactics you’re watching like a prostitution sting. The female officer dressed like a hooker in the seedy hotel room with the creepy guy isn’t wearing her uniform or displaying her badge. Only when it’s time to arrest the “John” do the badges come out.

If everything is on the up & up, then why are they trying to snatch Americans with brown skin off the street?

There’s at least half a dozen videos in the last week of Americans getting roughed up by ICE or deputized bounty hunters for no reason other than wrong skin @ the wrong place @ the wrong time. Clearly there is no careful investigation being conducted in those cases.

Stop spreading the “deputized bounty hunter” lie. There’s plenty to criticize about current immigration policy without making things up.

https://thetonymichaels.substack.com/p/ice-bounties-no-but-the-fear-is-real?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In every single ICE arrest the agents identify themselves to the suspect. There is no uncertainty. The migrant knows who is detaining them. They are required by law to do that.

ICE agents (or other law enforcement officers) have no duty to identify themselves to bystanders or activists. There is no law that requires it. There are no policies that require it.

Think of the ICE arrests tactics you’re watching like a prostitution sting. The female officer dressed like a hooker in the seedy hotel room with the creepy guy isn’t wearing her uniform or displaying her badge. Only when it’s time to arrest the “John” do the badges come out.

If everything is on the up & up, then why are they trying to snatch Americans with brown skin off the street?

There’s at least half a dozen videos in the last week of Americans getting roughed up by ICE or deputized bounty hunters for no reason other than wrong skin @ the wrong place @ the wrong time. Clearly there is no careful investigation being conducted in those cases.

NP - it's not a perfect system. Nothing is. Rapists go free all the time. Shoplifters go unpunished.

The "bad" ICE raids/arrests are wrong -- and should be stopped and punished. That doesn't mean stop all ICE raids.