Governor Moore vetoes bill to study reparations

[Anonymous]

Who would get these reparations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who would get these reparations?

No one, because the bill to create a commission to study the issue was vetoed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who would get these reparations?

No one, because the bill to create a commission to study the issue was vetoed.

Because Maryland doesn’t have money in the budget to commission the expensive study. The study wasn’t free.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

[Anonymous]

They will all cave to Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

Is your google broken? I don't work for you. You can find this out with very little effort.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign

I am a liberal (not progressive) democrat, and I don't view this as an appeal to the comservative side. It's a nod towards sanity and fiscal responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

Is your google broken? I don't work for you. You can find this out with very little effort.

The primary source says this:

State Effect: General fund expenditures increase by $54,500 in FY 2026 for contractual staff; future years reflect annualization, ongoing costs, and the termination of the contractual position at the end of FY 2028. Expense reimbursements for commission
members are assumed to be minimal and absorbable within existing budgeted resources.

No effect on revenues.


You are misinformed and are trying to perpetuate lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a thread on the Maryland bill about reparations, but it got locked:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1267067.page

There has been an important development today that is worthy of reviving the topic, because everyone on this board predicted gloom and doom from the bill. Governor Moore has vetoed the bill: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/05/16/wes-moore-reparations-vetoe-maryland/

He can have a $1M meaningless study. Or, he can have a very important $2B bridge. He gets to pick one. Smart choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a thread on the Maryland bill about reparations, but it got locked:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1267067.page

There has been an important development today that is worthy of reviving the topic, because everyone on this board predicted gloom and doom from the bill. Governor Moore has vetoed the bill: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/05/16/wes-moore-reparations-vetoe-maryland/

He can have a $1M meaningless study. Or, he can have a very important $2B bridge. He gets to pick one. Smart choice.

What would a "study" achieve? Confirmation that slavery was horrendous, awful, and wrong? Confirmation that African Americans were mistreated? Do we need a study to confirm that?

Figure out how to bankrupt the Maryland budget to dispense funds to whom? All African Americans or just the ones who can prove their ancestors were slaves? Are all Marylanders going to have to pay taxes for this or just the ones whose ancestors were slave owners?
This is a Pandora's Box. Time to lock it and throw it away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a thread on the Maryland bill about reparations, but it got locked:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1267067.page

There has been an important development today that is worthy of reviving the topic, because everyone on this board predicted gloom and doom from the bill. Governor Moore has vetoed the bill: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/05/16/wes-moore-reparations-vetoe-maryland/

He can have a $1M meaningless study. Or, he can have a very important $2B bridge. He gets to pick one. Smart choice.

What would a "study" achieve? Confirmation that slavery was horrendous, awful, and wrong? Confirmation that African Americans were mistreated? Do we need a study to confirm that?

Figure out how to bankrupt the Maryland budget to dispense funds to whom? All African Americans or just the ones who can prove their ancestors were slaves? Are all Marylanders going to have to pay taxes for this or just the ones whose ancestors were slave owners?
This is a Pandora's Box. Time to lock it and throw it away.

Do you all understand that he vetoed the bill? Also, he already said he’s not running for President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

Is your google broken? I don't work for you. You can find this out with very little effort.

The primary source says this:

State Effect: General fund expenditures increase by $54,500 in FY 2026 for contractual staff; future years reflect annualization, ongoing costs, and the termination of the contractual position at the end of FY 2028. Expense reimbursements for commission
members are assumed to be minimal and absorbable within existing budgeted resources.

No effect on revenues.


You are misinformed and are trying to perpetuate lies.

What does the survey cost have to do with revenues?

So the multi year study was going to cost at least $54,000 for the first year. Have you ever done a budget before? You think money just comes out of thin air, poof!!!! It has to be funded from somewhere. And initial reports had it as a total cost of around $1 million and when there was criticism suddenly the number dropped to $54,500 for the first year.

I pay Maryland taxes. I hate to break it to you but we are in a huge deficient. We don’t have enough revenue coming to fund even items that were already in the budget. Our taxes are being raised and things are being cut. I’m not even getting into the politics of the subject of the study. You are just being disingenuous with your comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

Is your google broken? I don't work for you. You can find this out with very little effort.

The primary source says this:

State Effect: General fund expenditures increase by $54,500 in FY 2026 for contractual staff; future years reflect annualization, ongoing costs, and the termination of the contractual position at the end of FY 2028. Expense reimbursements for commission
members are assumed to be minimal and absorbable within existing budgeted resources.

No effect on revenues.


You are misinformed and are trying to perpetuate lies.

What does the survey cost have to do with revenues?

So the multi year study was going to cost at least $54,000 for the first year. Have you ever done a budget before? You think money just comes out of thin air, poof!!!! It has to be funded from somewhere. And initial reports had it as a total cost of around $1 million and when there was criticism suddenly the number dropped to $54,500 for the first year.

I pay Maryland taxes. I hate to break it to you but we are in a huge deficient. We don’t have enough revenue coming to fund even items that were already in the budget. Our taxes are being raised and things are being cut. I’m not even getting into the politics of the subject of the study. You are just being disingenuous with your comments.

The study doesn't cost $54,000. A contractor to staff the commission costs $54,000. The whole reason our nation sucks right now is because people suck at reading comprehension and critical thinking.

[Anonymous]

Who cares how much the study would cost? I'm not seeing anywhere that the Governor said that the cost of the study was the issue. He said he doesn't believe reparations is an important issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

Where is there information on the fact they would contract with a consultant?

The fiscal note for the bill says the Archives would hire one contractual staffer to staff the commission. And generally, the commission itself does the work. The fiscal note says the bill costs $55,000 in the first fiscal year.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't see cost as a factor.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2025RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0587.pdf

NP here. The study was estimated to cost in total over $1 million. That is the issue. Did posters do any research on this before they post what’s the harm in doing the study?

Maryland is in a huge budget crisis. Moore is in the unfortunate situation of being the relatively new governor of a state well known for historically being very well funded and progressive. So normally this type of idea would have passed. But in 2025 Maryland has a huge budget shortfall and has to raise state taxes which is not being well received by Marylanders. There is no extra money in Maryland FOR ANYTHING.

Next time these “consultants” should be more honest in their estimates when they respond to RFPs. I would start with blaming them for their inflated, ridiculous prices, whether it’s $1 million total estimated cost or even $55,000 a year (for how many years?).

Could you please link where there is mention of a consultant study? And the cost? That's not how typical summer study bills work in Maryland.

Is your google broken? I don't work for you. You can find this out with very little effort.

The primary source says this:

State Effect: General fund expenditures increase by $54,500 in FY 2026 for contractual staff; future years reflect annualization, ongoing costs, and the termination of the contractual position at the end of FY 2028. Expense reimbursements for commission
members are assumed to be minimal and absorbable within existing budgeted resources.

No effect on revenues.


You are misinformed and are trying to perpetuate lies.

What does the survey cost have to do with revenues?

So the multi year study was going to cost at least $54,000 for the first year. Have you ever done a budget before? You think money just comes out of thin air, poof!!!! It has to be funded from somewhere. And initial reports had it as a total cost of around $1 million and when there was criticism suddenly the number dropped to $54,500 for the first year.

I pay Maryland taxes. I hate to break it to you but we are in a huge deficient. We don’t have enough revenue coming to fund even items that were already in the budget. Our taxes are being raised and things are being cut. I’m not even getting into the politics of the subject of the study. You are just being disingenuous with your comments.

The study doesn't cost $54,000. A contractor to staff the commission costs $54,000. The whole reason our nation sucks right now is because people suck at reading comprehension and critical thinking.

You just contradicted yourself. The contractor to the staff of the commission costs money. Who pays for that? I can’t even. You’re like a dog chasing its own tail.

The issues were two fold: 1) there was NO money in the budget to fund projects like this, and 2) the politics behind what the study were for. Both things can be true and the reason. The person who liked critical thinking skills is you.