F.D.A. scientists being asked to return to work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

So you want Feds making $3.60 an hour? The safe of you and your family on the line every day but you want to magically pay highly educated scientists $50k a year? Go back to your factory job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

You are aware that there is a high barrier to entry? These people have PhDs and generate valuable research. They live in a HCOL area. Some professions make more money than others. Surprised you didn’t know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

There are/were something like 2.9 million federal employees and you’re surprised that a handful on DCUM are making more than $250,000?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

You are aware that there is a high barrier to entry? These people have PhDs and generate valuable research. They live in a HCOL area. Some professions make more money than others. Surprised you didn’t know this.

My group at FDA all have advanced degrees but we’re not MD’s so all are on the GS scale. Unless we become supervisors we’re capped at GS-13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to you, but I saw news yesterday implying FDA is in massive trouble. Due to the toxic work environment, apparently TONS of scientists there are actively seeking to bail. They mentioned hundreds of reviewers are looking for new work because no one wants to work for RFK/Makary and this insane administration who'll probably force FDA people to sign off on crazy treatments and ideas, or pull them due to politics and not science. If that many reviewers leave, the whole system for food and drug safety could collapse.

Can confirm, so many are interviewing that they can't meet deadlines anymore.

There is no reason for any scientist or MD to stay who isn't a few years from retirement.

This is what happens when republicans work to purposely break the system, the system breaks.

Assume some of that "hardship" musk and republicans referred to us going through will be the lack of availability of useful drugs and contaminated food.

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Anonymous wrote:Congress should called all the DOGE leadership in front of an oversight committee meeting BEFORE Musk departs and demand a full accounting of all programs cut, halted, total of all persons fired, and a full total of supposed savings, plus full accounting of all cost for their new team and all legal cost associated with defending, revising and correcting.

Then we’ll see where we really are.

Musk is not the head of DOGE. Amy Gleason is the acting head. Musk has no legal responsibility.

She was chosen in Feb 2025, after DOGE started making changes. At that point, I assume Trump realized Musk could not legally be head of DOGE. It’s not clear she was making any decisions. But maybe she’s now making decisions to undo what Musk did.

“For weeks, the White House had declined to say whether there was a DOGE administrator — let alone name one. Trump created the position on Inauguration Day. He had previously said Musk would lead the DOGE office, though Musk was never named to the position, and his comments about Musk's role during a speech in March 2025 sparked legal controversy.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-doge-office-administrator?op=1

dOGE broke and is still breaking the law. When the tide changes Musk will be fine other dOGE employees and the the head will face legal consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

Barely anyone makes that. That’s above the 15 step 10 level. That’s higher executive service level pay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congress should called all the DOGE leadership in front of an oversight committee meeting BEFORE Musk departs and demand a full accounting of all programs cut, halted, total of all persons fired, and a full total of supposed savings, plus full accounting of all cost for their new team and all legal cost associated with defending, revising and correcting.

Then we’ll see where we really are.

Musk is not the head of DOGE. Amy Gleason is the acting head. Musk has no legal responsibility.

Then he also had no authority and should STFU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

Barely anyone makes that. That’s above the 15 step 10 level. That’s higher executive service level pay.

Or they are GP.

The best part is that Feds are almost all vastly overqualified for their positions. Who do these dumbasses cheering for this think that they are going to be competing with for jobs?

Lol…the fired Feds are going to come take any positions that are worth anything and send the MAGAs to the unemployment office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

You are aware that there is a high barrier to entry? These people have PhDs and generate valuable research. They live in a HCOL area. Some professions make more money than others. Surprised you didn’t know this.

And it's quite expensive to live in the DC metro area.

Don't worry person who hates to see scientists making more than basic wages: scientists who are still working at federal agencies are interviewing with private industry every chance they can get.

Takes a lot of loans to get a PhD and then be able to afford to even buy a crappy fixer upper sfh in the DC metro.

Good luck taking your non evaluated drugs, not getting vaccines, and have to evaluate every single bit of food you put in your mouth that you haven't personally grown or raised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, there are still federal employees going to work each day and being paid to do nothing.

I'm dating one such employee.

Why do you have such low standards?

haha, seriously. I think the PP maybe likes to mooch of the do-nothing fed employee, so indirectly mooching off taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So MAGA doesn’t want to die from listeria after all?!

Of course MAGA didn't want this. Only Elon Musk wanted this. Enough congresspeople got angry phone calls from constituents after reading about the firings in the paper that these people were begged to come back. Some will, some won't.

This is how many firings by DOGE are being unfired, after a journalist or reporter covers it. What about a government service that a reporter doesn't hear about? In 6 months or 2 years, when something bad happens and we wonder why no one was paying attention, we'll say, oh yeah, agency XYX used to do that but Elon Musk fired all of them in 2025. Sorry.

Stop that is what maga voted for

During the campaign, Project 2025 was wildly wildly unpopular and Trump swore six ways to Sunday that he had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

MAGA did not vote for it.

Trump swore six ways to Sunday he had nothing to do with Project 2025 and then went right to work rolling it out.

He is a pathological liar and you MAGAs voted for him anyhow.

We warned you that he is a liar, you ignored us. We warned you that he was going to implement Project 2025, you ignored us.

He lied, and he rolled out Project 2025. Those are now indisputable facts.

When are you going to stop and realize that you were wrong and we were right all along?

When are you going to stop doubling down on Trump and his constant lies?

+1 He has always shown to be a liar. People stupid enough to vote for Trump just ignored the obvious signs and heard what they wanted to hear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

tenure? Inflation adjusted increases?

-non fed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:have you not read all the panicked postings in the Jobs forum about no severance for feds making more the 250K

how is it possible to have so many feds making so much for so long?

tenure? Inflation adjusted increases?

-non fed

There are not "so many" feds making more than 250k.

There are few vocal feds on the jobs forum who are probably not old enough to retire, making 250k, but are in their 50s and early 60s and in that age range where private industry hates to hire but when most people need to work until they are at least 65-69, as republicans wanted many years ago.

It's going to take them a while, probably carrying a sfh with a high mortgage in the DC metro and kids who are in college or approaching college age. It's hard to have kids early when you need a PhD or MD to do your job.

My friend has a PhD and has worked as a fed for 15+ years at FDA, is now a manager, and just started to make more than 200k recently. Most of his reports under 40 are looking to get out.

I'm sure there are soooo many younger people who want to (and are smart enough) spend ten years of their lives in higher education to then move to the DC metro, maybe be able to afford to buy a sfh (or not), and then have people insult them for it. All for less than 200k a year to start. /s

[Anonymous]

Don't count on any FDA scientists who aren't near retirement to actually come back, or at least not for very long.

Current republicans have showed them who you really are.