FBI raids UMICH students protesting for Palestinian human rights/ending genocide without warrants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An actual hate group was on my campus yesterday. The key of david. They held up signs that were profane hateful and generally terrifying for a lot of my students.

But you know what? It's a right that people have and when you exist on a college campus, you are going to see differing viewpoints.

you're going to be uncomfortable,you may even be scared once in awhile. None of that is reason to strip away our constitutional freedoms

Exactly.

Unfortunately, these craven attacks on our constitutional rights are being authored from within by individuals and groups who serve a foreign nation that’s indifferent to America’s suffering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

WELL WELL WELL you will always find a reason to lay blame at their feet. Its despicable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

They were able to protest. Afterwards, they were no longer welcomed "guests" and have to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

They were able to protest. Afterwards, they were no longer welcomed "guests" and have to leave.

Based on what "law"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

You have no idea what "most Americans" are thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

Foreign nationals are granted rights, but holding a visa comes with specific rules that must be followed. Violating these rules can lead to the revocation of the visa. Protesting, especially in an effort to demand changes in the host country, is not advisable, as maintaining our national interest means we cannot allow foreign agitators to remain.

Any crime, no matter how minor, can also lead to visa cancellation. For example, an individual who vandalized trucks with graffiti was removed. It is essential to enforce a zero-tolerance policy for crime, violence, and support for terrorist organizations.

Remember, they are guests in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

They were able to protest. Afterwards, they were no longer welcomed "guests" and have to leave.

Based on what "law"?

Did a "law" grant them visas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

You have no idea what "most Americans" are thinking.

Ok. Go ahead and think that most Americans were in favor and continue to be in favor of more protests at A.erican universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

Removing feelings: anyone here on a Visa is a guest. As a guest they are welcome here at the pleasure of the government.

You don’t the rules in place to keep your Visa? Fine you get to leave. Forcibly if necessary.

Because again; THEY ARE GUESTS.

Can you show me where the US constitution says that if you’re a guest in the US, the same freedoms don’t apply to you? I’ll wait.

Foreign nationals are granted rights, but holding a visa comes with specific rules that must be followed. Violating these rules can lead to the revocation of the visa. Protesting, especially in an effort to demand changes in the host country, is not advisable, as maintaining our national interest means we cannot allow foreign agitators to remain.

Any crime, no matter how minor, can also lead to visa cancellation. For example, an individual who vandalized trucks with graffiti was removed. It is essential to enforce a zero-tolerance policy for crime, violence, and support for terrorist organizations.

Remember, they are guests in this country.

Yes. I have come to realize this enforcement surge is like a zero tolerance policy. (Or “one strike you are out”). Vandalize? trespass? Interact with the criminal courts or even the university behavior /university sex assault codes? Yep, that’s enough to draw scrutiny in this new era. It’s shocking but it’s not illegal. The “you authored on Op Ed” reasons for removal are tough — those should probably be looked at, if it’s the ONLY reason.

These students were not peacefully protesting with space permits. They weren’t.

[Anonymous]

Why did you lie in your post, OP? Both links show that the FBI had search warrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

Hurt fees fees don't justify trampling on people's rights. Protest is meant to be inconvenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

Cold hard truth...most Americans care more about Israel than Gaza.

Are you sure about that?

A March 2025 Pew Research Center survey found that 53% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of Israel, up from 42% in 2022. This marks the first time in over two decades that unfavorable views have surpassed favorable ones. Similarly, a Gallup poll revealed that only 46% of Americans sympathize more with Israelis than Palestinians, the lowest level recorded in 25 years.

The numbers may be inching that way, but you don't see many Americans actively sharing pro Palestine views

Isn’t that because free speech no longer includes voicing those particular views and carries risk?

From OP’s link: the raids "were not related to protest activity on the campus of the University of Michigan”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

Hurt fees fees don't justify trampling on people's rights. Protest is meant to be inconvenient.

No it absolutely is not. Gathering in the town square to voice your concerns and lift up signs isn’t inconvenient. Write a letter to the newspaper - definitely not inconvenient.

Show up in the streets blocking traffic and holding drivers hostage for example, and you are committing a crime and deserve consequences.