FBI raids UMICH students protesting for Palestinian human rights/ending genocide without warrants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

I seriously doubt that you speak for "most Americans." Maybe MAGA Americans, but not most Americans. I think you're just revealing your own personal bias against protesting in general. Lots of conservatives are uncomfortable with public protests--with the exception, of course, of Jan. 6 "protests."

Further, a recent poll by the non-partisan Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) found that: Only 26% of Americans support or strongly support deporting international students on valid student visas for expressing pro-Palestinian views. In contrast, 52% oppose or strongly oppose such deportations, while 22% neither support nor oppose.

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PP here. I voted for Harris. Can't stand Trump. Didn't say I was speaking for anyone. Just shared my opinion. If you think most Americans are in favor of the protests at Columbia, etc then we'll have to disagree.

[Anonymous]

The students are foreign nationals who are protesting U.S. Government foreign policies. They are temporary foreign nationals who live in the United States with a strict purpose and lots of condition.

Do these students receive indirectly or directly US Government funds to study for their degrees? As such, can there be conditions to this privilege?

Interesting questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

I seriously doubt that you speak for "most Americans." Maybe MAGA Americans, but not most Americans. I think you're just revealing your own personal bias against protesting in general. Lots of conservatives are uncomfortable with public protests--with the exception, of course, of Jan. 6 "protests."

Further, a recent poll by the non-partisan Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) found that: Only 26% of Americans support or strongly support deporting international students on valid student visas for expressing pro-Palestinian views. In contrast, 52% oppose or strongly oppose such deportations, while 22% neither support nor oppose.

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PP here. I voted for Harris. Can't stand Trump. Didn't say I was speaking for anyone. Just shared my opinion. If you think most Americans are in favor of the protests at Columbia, etc then we'll have to disagree.

It is not “crazy” to have the position that some students were encouraged or even installed by foreign governments to sow public discord. To get press around THEIR governments views, etc. This is just an angle to consider.

Some of the events re: foreign policy that happened were unprecedented. The reaction by USG is also unprecedented ( perhaps matching the unusual situation?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

[Anonymous]

This Ann Arbor administrator’s car and house was damaged. The evidence points to this group of people. Property damage to someone’s home and vehicle is not acceptable

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2024/12/university-of-michigan-regents-home-vandalized-with-mason-jars-pro-palestine-slogan.html?outputType=amp

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

Cold hard truth...most Americans care more about Israel than Gaza.

Are you sure about that?

A March 2025 Pew Research Center survey found that 53% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of Israel, up from 42% in 2022. This marks the first time in over two decades that unfavorable views have surpassed favorable ones. Similarly, a Gallup poll revealed that only 46% of Americans sympathize more with Israelis than Palestinians, the lowest level recorded in 25 years.

The numbers may be inching that way, but you don't see many Americans actively sharing pro Palestine views

Very Few Americans are sharing pro-Palestinian (NOT pro-Hamas) views on social media and in public protests. But there is a climate of fear surrounding that since the current government has almost made it a crime to voice pro-Palestinian sentiments.

Fixed it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

No. Most Americans do not care about Israel. Israel and American right wing Jews have attacked the US constitution. For what? Radical religious extremism who corrupt and Hate America. Israel is the biggest threat to the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This Ann Arbor administrator’s car and house was damaged. The evidence points to this group of people. Property damage to someone’s home and vehicle is not acceptable

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2024/12/university-of-michigan-regents-home-vandalized-with-mason-jars-pro-palestine-slogan.html?outputType=amp

This is what happens when you oppress a population. Look at Israel or South Africa(back in the day) police state with state sponsored terrorism. We need to punish Israel for their interference in out elections and government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree most American don't care but if you protest against Israel you get deported. Not true for other protests.

This is foreign policy that impacts americans. Many are dual citizens.

We never had a huge “pro south african” or pro vietnam or pro north korea movement. those protests were largely main stream. Vietnam was about the draft and US citizens. Other campus protests were about lives lost in war.

This one is different. These protests comes of the heals of a terrorist attack against israel. I mean, it’s different.

The US is taking a stance that blocking buildings in a way that feels threatening to American students is not okay

Feelings? Feelings?

We’re having our country torn apart over feelings? About a foreign nation, no less?

Forgive me, I guess, but F right the F off if you think feelings about ANYTHING related to a foreign nation justify this turmoil HERE, in America.

Also, in case anyone is confused in the matter, our foreign policy is set by people, most of whom are deeply flawed men (in the best of times), oftentimes operating under a massive cloud of conflicts of interest. And as this current admin has clearly proven in short order, sanity is not a prereq.

So don’t try to promote this bullshit that our foreign policy is ordained by god, above reproach, and that to oppose it is to attack some natural order of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

So “words” and having to walk around, and not directly through the middle, of a protest justify this? Abductions? Rescission of visas and expulsions? Hmmm. I guess political correctness and acting like a snowflake is OK now … ?

I sometimes rhetorically ask why members of certain groups think they’re so reviled by everyone else.

By the way, you’re also noticeably silent regarding what happened at UCLA (you know the other acts of terrorism on a college campus last year, committed by radical, extremist Zionists), but I guess that’s OK in your book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

So “words” and having to walk around, and not directly through the middle, of a protest justify this? Abductions? Rescission of visas and expulsions? Hmmm. I guess political correctness and acting like a snowflake is OK now … ?

I sometimes rhetorically ask why members of certain groups think they’re so reviled by everyone else.

By the way, you’re also noticeably silent regarding what happened at UCLA (you know the other acts of terrorism on a college campus last year, committed by radical, extremist Zionists), but I guess that’s OK in your book.

Visa termination also carries no physical harm, so at the end of the day they are just being snowflakes demanding political correctness "for me but not for thee".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell you, but most Americans don't really care about students who come here from other countries and choose to engage in protests of any nature. Just be glad you're here, count your blessings, and get the education and degree desired. Then return to your country and protest.

The US constitution, which you apparently know little about, has repeatedly affirmed that constitutional rights, including those in the First Amendment, apply to all "persons" within the U.S., not just "citizens."

So foreign visitors to our country, including students, absolutely have the right to protest unless it involves breaking specific laws.

That's all fine and well. I'm just saying what most Americans are thinking about the protestors and what I would do if studying in another country.

None of that matters. Why don't you get that? They have the RIGHT. People do plenty of things I wouldn't. That doesn't mean the government should start trampling on people's rights.

That's what freedom IS. It's the right to do what you want, even if other people disagree, so long as you aren't hurting anyone. If they broke the law while protesting, charge them with a crime. Otherwise, they have the right to protest.

Well, they were hurting other students by verbally harassing and physically preventing moving around the campus, so...

So “words” and having to walk around, and not directly through the middle, of a protest justify this? Abductions? Rescission of visas and expulsions? Hmmm. I guess political correctness and acting like a snowflake is OK now … ?

I sometimes rhetorically ask why members of certain groups think they’re so reviled by everyone else.

By the way, you’re also noticeably silent regarding what happened at UCLA (you know the other acts of terrorism on a college campus last year, committed by radical, extremist Zionists), but I guess that’s OK in your book.

Visa termination also carries no physical harm, so at the end of the day they are just being snowflakes demanding political correctness "for me but not for thee".

Really? These high profile abductions and indefinite detentions carry no physical harm?

Are you insane? Like, actually insane?

[Anonymous]

An actual hate group was on my campus yesterday. The key of david. They held up signs that were profane hateful and generally terrifying for a lot of my students.

But you know what? It's a right that people have and when you exist on a college campus, you are going to see differing viewpoints.

you're going to be uncomfortable,you may even be scared once in awhile. None of that is reason to strip away our constitutional freedoms