Religious resistance to Trump

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the theology of moral resistance in the spirit of Frederick Douglass and many other faith-based resisters to injustice. I agree that Project 2025 is an all-out attack on over 60 years of civil rights protection of African American and many other people in the U.S.

However, I hope they seek a broad interracial alliance as many non black people of faith are deeply opposed to the hate mongering and division and degradations of POC and non criminal migrants (most of whom are Latinos) and GLBQT+ people.


It is ok for African Americans to sometimes just talk about what is concerning us specifically. Even more so since lots of POCs (which really just means Asians, Hispanics, and Indians) voted for Trump.


PP to whom you responded

Yes of course - not just all but important.

I just hope they invite a coalition of faith bas d allies representing other groups also impacted. The politics of division and degradation of so many people hurts us all in different ways. I think we need faith based unity in confronting the hate and division espoused by white Christian nationalism - while allowing space for different coalition members to express how it impacts them and how they wish to resist.

I am grateful to black ministers for leading the way once again.

You can’t even take a beat to LISTEN. Stop telling black people what to do. There is nothing stopping you from contacting a local congregation and asking if you can volunteer in support of their efforts and then doing exactly what they ask without telling them how they should do it differently.




+1

To the person who said black churches should invite allies--

Why don't YOU volunteer to make that happen? It's always easy to spout off from behind a keyboard about what others should do and how much more they should work or volunteer...Meanwhile, you are doing what exactly?




I agree that I need to listen. I can imagine that black religious people May feel Tired of leading the way.

Our church is involved in resistance and protection of vulnerable people who come to our sacred space for different ministries.

We have been working on becoming an antiracist church for years now and that does require much more listening.

I am sorry if my hopes for a broader faith based resistance alliance offended anyone.


But this would not work and is not needed because the concerns do not converge 100%. Some people have religious objections to LGBTQ and are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. Some people really want our country to stop illegal immigration and want our country to allow in a smaller number of legal immigrants, if any at all, but are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. In forming these fake alliances, some are alienated. Tagging on to the African American cause gives your cause legitimacy because how we have been treated is America's original and its worse sin--but can the fight for your cause stand as a legitimate one without us? Try it.


Yes I definitely agree that different faith based groups who oppose Project 2025 on moral grounds would not converge on every point. My church affirms the dignity and humanity of every person irrespective of skin color, gender affiliation, ethnicity or other main human identity markers.

My church is already involved in resistance and protection of people being harmed by Trump and Project 2025. I believe that we probably need to form alliances with other faith based communities (not just Christians either) that oppose white Christian nationalism as deeply immoral.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black ministers denounce Project 2025, urge collective Black resistance
(RNS) — The ministers’ statement also criticized white evangelicals, whom it described as ‘drunk on the religion of white Christian nationalism.’

https://religionnews.com/2025/01/28/black-min...ve-black-resistance/

BLACK MINISTERS CALL FOR RESISTANCE AGAINST ‘WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM’ EFFORTS OF PROJECT 2025
Black church leaders are calling for unified resistance against Project 2025, which is "informed by white Christian Nationalism."

https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-ministe...ristian-nationalism/



OP, I'm not a Trumper but you clearly don't know anything about DC politics. Project 2035 is defunct. Its creator, Paul Dans, left or was let go from Heritage back in June 2024. Trump has disavowed Project 2O25. I have lawyer friends in this administration. There is no Project 2025 running. I'm sure you won't believe me but if you just do a little research googling before you post next time you will learn what I say is true.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Black ministers denounce Project 2025, urge collective Black resistance
(RNS) — The ministers’ statement also criticized white evangelicals, whom it described as ‘drunk on the religion of white Christian nationalism.’

https://religionnews.com/2025/01/28/black-min...ve-black-resistance/

BLACK MINISTERS CALL FOR RESISTANCE AGAINST ‘WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM’ EFFORTS OF PROJECT 2025
Black church leaders are calling for unified resistance against Project 2025, which is "informed by white Christian Nationalism."

https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-ministe...ristian-nationalism/



OP, I'm not a Trumper but you clearly don't know anything about DC politics. Project 2035 is defunct. Its creator, Paul Dans, left or was let go from Heritage back in June 2024. Trump has disavowed Project 2O25. I have lawyer friends in this administration. There is no Project 2025 running. I'm sure you won't believe me but if you just do a little research googling before you post next time you will learn what I say is true.


I live in DC and many of my lawyer friends
And federal workers strongly disagree with you.

Elon Musk and Trump have created chaos for friends at NIH/ USAID/ civilian military,/ IRS/ And other agencies.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black ministers denounce Project 2025, urge collective Black resistance
(RNS) — The ministers’ statement also criticized white evangelicals, whom it described as ‘drunk on the religion of white Christian nationalism.’

https://religionnews.com/2025/01/28/black-min...ve-black-resistance/

BLACK MINISTERS CALL FOR RESISTANCE AGAINST ‘WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM’ EFFORTS OF PROJECT 2025
Black church leaders are calling for unified resistance against Project 2025, which is "informed by white Christian Nationalism."

https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-ministe...ristian-nationalism/



OP, I'm not a Trumper but you clearly don't know anything about DC politics. Project 2035 is defunct. Its creator, Paul Dans, left or was let go from Heritage back in June 2024. Trump has disavowed Project 2O25. I have lawyer friends in this administration. There is no Project 2025 running. I'm sure you won't believe me but if you just do a little research googling before you post next time you will learn what I say is true.


Oh that what’s that tell you at the country club is it?

Project 2025 Is Here
Candidate Trump tried distancing himself from a right-wing blueprint that President Trump’s administration is already implementing.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/project-2025-donald-trump


Here’s How Trump’s Executive Orders Align With Project 2025
Alison Durkee
Forbes Staff
Alison is a senior news reporter covering US politics and legal news.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/202...n-with-project-2025/


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/29/trum...-project-2025-007378
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black ministers denounce Project 2025, urge collective Black resistance
(RNS) — The ministers’ statement also criticized white evangelicals, whom it described as ‘drunk on the religion of white Christian nationalism.’

https://religionnews.com/2025/01/28/black-min...ve-black-resistance/

BLACK MINISTERS CALL FOR RESISTANCE AGAINST ‘WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM’ EFFORTS OF PROJECT 2025
Black church leaders are calling for unified resistance against Project 2025, which is "informed by white Christian Nationalism."

https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-ministe...ristian-nationalism/



OP, I'm not a Trumper but you clearly don't know anything about DC politics. Project 2035 is defunct. Its creator, Paul Dans, left or was let go from Heritage back in June 2024. Trump has disavowed Project 2O25. I have lawyer friends in this administration. There is no Project 2025 running. I'm sure you won't believe me but if you just do a little research googling before you post next time you will learn what I say is true.


You're lying and can't even use the proper name for the plan to take over the US.
Anonymous
Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.



I'm so sorry.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with the theology of moral resistance in the spirit of Frederick Douglass and many other faith-based resisters to injustice. I agree that Project 2025 is an all-out attack on over 60 years of civil rights protection of African American and many other people in the U.S.

However, I hope they seek a broad interracial alliance as many non black people of faith are deeply opposed to the hate mongering and division and degradations of POC and non criminal migrants (most of whom are Latinos) and GLBQT+ people.


It is ok for African Americans to sometimes just talk about what is concerning us specifically. Even more so since lots of POCs (which really just means Asians, Hispanics, and Indians) voted for Trump.


PP to whom you responded

Yes of course - not just all but important.

I just hope they invite a coalition of faith bas d allies representing other groups also impacted. The politics of division and degradation of so many people hurts us all in different ways. I think we need faith based unity in confronting the hate and division espoused by white Christian nationalism - while allowing space for different coalition members to express how it impacts them and how they wish to resist.

I am grateful to black ministers for leading the way once again.

You can’t even take a beat to LISTEN. Stop telling black people what to do. There is nothing stopping you from contacting a local congregation and asking if you can volunteer in support of their efforts and then doing exactly what they ask without telling them how they should do it differently.




+1

To the person who said black churches should invite allies--

Why don't YOU volunteer to make that happen? It's always easy to spout off from behind a keyboard about what others should do and how much more they should work or volunteer...Meanwhile, you are doing what exactly?




I agree that I need to listen. I can imagine that black religious people May feel Tired of leading the way.

Our church is involved in resistance and protection of vulnerable people who come to our sacred space for different ministries.

We have been working on becoming an antiracist church for years now and that does require much more listening.

I am sorry if my hopes for a broader faith based resistance alliance offended anyone.


But this would not work and is not needed because the concerns do not converge 100%. Some people have religious objections to LGBTQ and are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. Some people really want our country to stop illegal immigration and want our country to allow in a smaller number of legal immigrants, if any at all, but are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. In forming these fake alliances, some are alienated. Tagging on to the African American cause gives your cause legitimacy because how we have been treated is America's original and its worse sin--but can the fight for your cause stand as a legitimate one without us? Try it.


Yes I definitely agree that different faith based groups who oppose Project 2025 on moral grounds would not converge on every point. My church affirms the dignity and humanity of every person irrespective of skin color, gender affiliation, ethnicity or other main human identity markers.

My church is already involved in resistance and protection of people being harmed by Trump and Project 2025. I believe that we probably need to form alliances with other faith based communities (not just Christians either) that oppose white Christian nationalism as deeply immoral.



Also, you don't have to be part of a faith-based community to know that Christian nationalism is deeply immoral.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.



White Christian nationalism has been utilized in many ways both subtle and not so subtle: in the past week alone, instead of comforting a nation mourning the flight crash between a regional jet carrying many members of elite US figure skating community and a military chopper, he blamed the crash (with no evidence) on DEI hires. Scholars have written volumes on the use of racist language and symbols at Trump rallies that are combined with MAGA Christian nationalist language.


Trump’s Christian Nationalist Vision for America
https://time.com/7019236/trumps-christian-nationalist-america-essay/


White Christian nationalists are poised to remake America in their image during Trump’s second term, author says
by Analysis by John Blake and CNN
January 13, 2025
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/12/us/white-c...tionalism-du-mez-cec


Trump, the ‘religious right’ and white Christian nationalism
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/01...ionalism-rise-246538


Donald Trump's Dangerous Closing Message to his White Christian Followers
How it started is how it's ending.
ROBERT P. JONES
NOV 04, 2024

Down the home stretch of the campaign, Donald Trump has doubled down on his message of Christian nationalism and white grievance. While his speeches have indeed become more meandering and more extreme, they nonetheless contain a coherent appeal that taps key elements from authoritarian playbooks around the world, including 1930s Nazi Germany:

The once proud nation and the Christian institutions that made it that way are in decline and in danger of being destroyed. We must fight, fight, fight to make this nation great again.

The nation was once racially and religiously pure but is now being contaminated by elements from without and defiled by enemies from within.

The political opposition is not just misguided or wrong on policies; they are sick and evil people who want to destroy the country.
Only one political leader, chosen by God for this moment, can save the country. Only he can restore order and the dominion of white Christians in America. He alone can bring us back to being ”one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God.”

https://www.whitetoolong.net/p/donald-trumps-dangerous-closing-message
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with the theology of moral resistance in the spirit of Frederick Douglass and many other faith-based resisters to injustice. I agree that Project 2025 is an all-out attack on over 60 years of civil rights protection of African American and many other people in the U.S.

However, I hope they seek a broad interracial alliance as many non black people of faith are deeply opposed to the hate mongering and division and degradations of POC and non criminal migrants (most of whom are Latinos) and GLBQT+ people.


It is ok for African Americans to sometimes just talk about what is concerning us specifically. Even more so since lots of POCs (which really just means Asians, Hispanics, and Indians) voted for Trump.


PP to whom you responded

Yes of course - not just all but important.

I just hope they invite a coalition of faith bas d allies representing other groups also impacted. The politics of division and degradation of so many people hurts us all in different ways. I think we need faith based unity in confronting the hate and division espoused by white Christian nationalism - while allowing space for different coalition members to express how it impacts them and how they wish to resist.

I am grateful to black ministers for leading the way once again.

You can’t even take a beat to LISTEN. Stop telling black people what to do. There is nothing stopping you from contacting a local congregation and asking if you can volunteer in support of their efforts and then doing exactly what they ask without telling them how they should do it differently.




+1

To the person who said black churches should invite allies--

Why don't YOU volunteer to make that happen? It's always easy to spout off from behind a keyboard about what others should do and how much more they should work or volunteer...Meanwhile, you are doing what exactly?




I agree that I need to listen. I can imagine that black religious people May feel Tired of leading the way.

Our church is involved in resistance and protection of vulnerable people who come to our sacred space for different ministries.

We have been working on becoming an antiracist church for years now and that does require much more listening.

I am sorry if my hopes for a broader faith based resistance alliance offended anyone.


But this would not work and is not needed because the concerns do not converge 100%. Some people have religious objections to LGBTQ and are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. Some people really want our country to stop illegal immigration and want our country to allow in a smaller number of legal immigrants, if any at all, but are advocates for the civil and social rights of African Americans. In forming these fake alliances, some are alienated. Tagging on to the African American cause gives your cause legitimacy because how we have been treated is America's original and its worse sin--but can the fight for your cause stand as a legitimate one without us? Try it.


Yes I definitely agree that different faith based groups who oppose Project 2025 on moral grounds would not converge on every point. My church affirms the dignity and humanity of every person irrespective of skin color, gender affiliation, ethnicity or other main human identity markers.

My church is already involved in resistance and protection of people being harmed by Trump and Project 2025. I believe that we probably need to form alliances with other faith based communities (not just Christians either) that oppose white Christian nationalism as deeply immoral.



Also, you don't have to be part of a faith-based community to know that Christian nationalism is deeply immoral.


I don’t think that and have agnostic and atheistic friends who are very moral People. But the logical alliances for churches that oppose white Christian nationalism and Project 2025 would be other faith based communities that oppose WCN and P25.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.



White Christian nationalism has been utilized in many ways both subtle and not so subtle: in the past week alone, instead of comforting a nation mourning the flight crash between a regional jet carrying many members of elite US figure skating community and a military chopper, he blamed the crash (with no evidence) on DEI hires. Scholars have written volumes on the use of racist language and symbols at Trump rallies that are combined with MAGA Christian nationalist language.


Trump’s Christian Nationalist Vision for America
https://time.com/7019236/trumps-christian-nationalist-america-essay/


White Christian nationalists are poised to remake America in their image during Trump’s second term, author says
by Analysis by John Blake and CNN
January 13, 2025
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/12/us/white-c...tionalism-du-mez-cec


Trump, the ‘religious right’ and white Christian nationalism
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/01...ionalism-rise-246538


Donald Trump's Dangerous Closing Message to his White Christian Followers
How it started is how it's ending.
ROBERT P. JONES
NOV 04, 2024

Down the home stretch of the campaign, Donald Trump has doubled down on his message of Christian nationalism and white grievance. While his speeches have indeed become more meandering and more extreme, they nonetheless contain a coherent appeal that taps key elements from authoritarian playbooks around the world, including 1930s Nazi Germany:

The once proud nation and the Christian institutions that made it that way are in decline and in danger of being destroyed. We must fight, fight, fight to make this nation great again.

The nation was once racially and religiously pure but is now being contaminated by elements from without and defiled by enemies from within.

The political opposition is not just misguided or wrong on policies; they are sick and evil people who want to destroy the country.
Only one political leader, chosen by God for this moment, can save the country. Only he can restore order and the dominion of white Christians in America. He alone can bring us back to being ”one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God.”

https://www.whitetoolong.net/p/donald-trumps-dangerous-closing-message


Trump criticizing DEI to blame a white woman who crashed a plane is not evidence of white nationalism. His was insinuating that she got extra points for being a woman in whatever criteria gets used to promote pilots - is it true? I don’t know and he’s obviously jumping to conclusions but that doesn’t make it white nationalism. And if the military is lowering otherwise applicable standards based on race or sex, that IS a problem in my book.

I asked about POLICY and you responded by pointing to evidence that some racists like Trump. Yup, some do. And so what? Some communists/socialists vote Democratic and hope to use Democrats to their ends - doesn’t make Democratic POLICY communist or socialist. Also I know some racist Democrats too!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.



I'm so sorry.


Likewise!
Anonymous
Evangelicals are in for a rude awakening

National religion is going to be Catholic

SCOTUS common denominator
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.


Ok if you don't believe it exist why are you asking us to look for something that doesn't exist and report back to you? You are asking is to defy the laws of physics.

Another black Christian.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black Christian here. Where is the white nationalist policy exactly? I don’t see it. Getting rid of DEI and racial preferences is not it, sorry. Neither are immigration restrictions.

There is a certain type of liberal church “leader” who likes to pontificate for the Democratic Party. But not actually have any policy ideas that help anyone. It’s their thing. It’s getting really old.


Ok if you don't believe it exist why are you asking us to look for something that doesn't exist and report back to you? You are asking is to defy the laws of physics.

Another black Christian.


It was questioning the justification of the OP’s position. Which, you appear to agree, does not exist. So… thanks?
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