As an Atheist, what do you tell your little kids?

Anonymous
I can't imagine ever respecting anyone who lies to me about life after death. Why should I believe anything you ever say, if you just say (or worse believe!) whatever you think will temporarily placate me instead of the truth?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine ever respecting anyone who lies to me about life after death. Why should I believe anything you ever say, if you just say (or worse believe!) whatever you think will temporarily placate me instead of the truth?


Of course, no one really knows “the truth” about divine things, life after death or the other matters typically considered the subject of religion. People have beliefs. Not all beliefs agree. People disbelieve. They disagree with each other. There are all sorts of things nobody understands.
Anonymous
Im Jewish and an atheist as well. I never needed comfort of a higher being. And you'd be surprised by some kids. Mine are very sensitive to fairness and have a lot of empathy. They have religious friends and even in early ES they ask "if there is a god, why would he allow xyz to happen- referring to wars and friends' challenges like health issues or other things".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’m an atheist but I want my kids (5 and 2.5) to feel comforted, like there’s something else out there watching over them whenever they’re scared or sad. And I want them to be comforted when someone dies.

I love the idea of heaven, and have told them our dog went to heaven when she died. I’m treating heaven like Santa (which should buy me some time). Instead of praying before bed or a meal, my son and I sometimes list all the things we’re grateful for in this life (health, modern medicine, cookies, toys, our house, family, friends, school, etc).

By way of background, I was raised Catholic - baptized, communion, confirmation, and church every Sunday. My two siblings are also religious. Then there’s me…I could never get into it, thought it was boring and difficult to understand, disliked all of the contradictions and HATED the whole “you’re a sinner and damned if you do/don’t do abc/xyz…go to church, have sex before marriage, are gay, etc). I will admit, however, that when I’ve been in very scary situations, I’ve asked “God” to keep me safe which made me feel better in the moment. My parents told me things would change once I had kids and “I’d come back to the church.” Well, that obviously hasn’t happened. I never baptized my kids, nor do we belong or go to a church. As far as Christianity, I believe Jesus was probably a great guy and/or an excellent politician. I don’t believe in the immaculate conception or any of those other stories (turning water into wine, etc.)). I just can’t deal with all of the BS that goes with Christianity or any other religion.

I love the idea of a “higher-power” - perhaps I can call it an energy? Love the cosmos and science behind it all. So what do you call this? Being spiritual? How do other people handle these situations with kids? Should I call it God, a spirit, energy, or something else?

If you’re an atheist, what do you tell your little kids when you want them to feel like a higher power or energy is watching over them?


So, I'll agree with other posters - I think this is something that, because of how you were raised, you took comfort in, because you were taught to, but those who are raised outside religion often find that's not really necessary (and often, when seen outside the lens of religion, this is really a creepy concept.)

In the situation where someone dies, for example, I tell my little kids that they are "all gone" to help them understand. I explain it's okay to be sad, and it's okay to miss them, and we can take comfort in remembering the good times we had with them.

My parents, on the other hand, routinely give my kids religious tokens that they get for free in the mail (think a cross with Jesus, prayer cards, picture of Pope, etc.). They pray before every meal, and my son looks at me like “WTF are they doing?” They also asked me why I didn’t set up the Christmas nativity set they gave me. Ughh. I’m wondering how to explain this all to my son while still being respectful to my parents and siblings.


As the kids get old enough, I explain that there are a lot of people who believe in a god. *We* know that gods aren't real, but some people take comfort in believing they are real, just like a friend might have fun with/take comfort in having a make believe invisible friend. It's ok for people to believe in gods as long as they're not hurting us, so even though we know it's not real, we shouldn't tell our friends that the god they believe in isn't real. (Not only is this a kindness thing, but even in the liberal DC area, this is a survival skill.)

As for the parents angle, that can be tough. I would be very uncomfortable if gifts like that were coming to my kids, but I'd try to remind myself, especially if someone didn't know about my atheism, that the givers are just making an assumption and that they're coming from a kind place. I might tell them, hey, I appreciate the thought, but our family is not Christian, so I would appreciate it if the gifts of a religious nature stopped being given to my kids.

If you really can't have that conversation with your family, you can do things like censor the mail (throw the gifts away before the kids see them) but that can be risky. You can also try to limit contact, but at the end of the day, I would always vote to have the conversation if push came to shove (instead of silently letting family give and kids receive those types of gifts.)




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As an atheist, one of my strongest convictions to my children is NOT lying to them about magic sky daddy or having them believe fake things to comfort them. Obviously ymmv, but that was one thing I hated about religion and one thing I was determined not to do to my kids. So I don't really get the point.


I mean, that’s what I think for kids once they’re older. But for me, I think (and maybe that’s a me problem) my kids would feel better thinking there’s something else out there…just while they’re really young. Since Christmas just passed, I keep thinking of this like Santa…


Do some research and listen to anyone that has deconverted from or deconstructed their religious beliefs . One of the hardest things for them to give up, sometimes the very thing that causes them the most pain, is the belief that there is a life after death. I think making them believe that (which is what you are doing because you are their parent and they will believe what you tell them) and then expecting it to be ok is very wrong . It is NOT like finding out there is no Santa . It is extremely harmful .
Thinking there is no life after death is scary on some level, but it also lends more value and beauty and importance to the one life we KNOW we are all living right now


This was certainly true in my case. I had given up on religion except for life after death which really appealed to me. When I became an atheist, that had to go too. Everyone’s life ends at death, of course, but thinking that it’s going to go on forever can be a great comfort, until you realize how ridiculous it is
Anonymous
It’s important to offer your kids a consistent and honest message about death from the start. Kids can understand basic concepts of this very early and you just need to adjust what you tell them based on their age. But keep the message the same so they know they can trust you, they control how much they take in at a time (keep things simple and answer questions directly but don’t go off on some long confusing and overwhelming tangent). They may feel scared or sad, that’s okay, that’s how kids learn how to handle these feelings.

Remember too that things like heaven and God are abstract, so they aren’t going to understand it anyway when they are young. It’s very confusing to get one message from the person you are suppose to trust and another message later on. Also, I think you’ll find that once you start trying to protect them from scary things, there is no “older age” that you will feel okay with sharing scary things…. it only gets harder. Attempting to protect them from pain and trying to control their feelings, will only lead to kids who are less able to cope with hard facts, or difficult events, like death or loss of a friendship, or learning about all the other scary stuff in the world.
Anonymous
Comfort of a higher being? Then explain the Holocaust. I'll go first. God is not here to prevent anything bad from ever happening. Whatever the supreme being, it is more to present a set of lessons for people to follow.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine ever respecting anyone who lies to me about life after death. Why should I believe anything you ever say, if you just say (or worse believe!) whatever you think will temporarily placate me instead of the truth?


Of course, no one really knows “the truth” about divine things, life after death or the other matters typically considered the subject of religion. People have beliefs. Not all beliefs agree. People disbelieve. They disagree with each other. There are all sorts of things nobody understands.


Just like we don’t know “the truth” about Santa?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine ever respecting anyone who lies to me about life after death. Why should I believe anything you ever say, if you just say (or worse believe!) whatever you think will temporarily placate me instead of the truth?


Of course, no one really knows “the truth” about divine things, life after death or the other matters typically considered the subject of religion. People have beliefs. Not all beliefs agree. People disbelieve. They disagree with each other. There are all sorts of things nobody understands.


Just like we don’t know “the truth” about Santa?


Right -- It's so obvious once you give up the crazy idea of eternal life. It's very interesting to me that some people, according to what they have said here on DCUM, never could bring themselves to believe in God, despite being indoctrinated, while most of us fall for the idea of a god looking over us, despite the regular reminders that no god is doing any such thing.
Anonymous
You don’t sound atheist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do not feel comforted by a god at all. I think if there is one, god is too busy to pay attention to me. And when someone dies I'm either comforted that they're "done" (they were old and finished living) or they're not tortured anymore (eating disorder, addiction, mental illness), or I'm not, but I miss them just the same.

You're trying to decide that not only should your kids believe in a god, but how they should feel about its presence. That's ... a lot.


Okay, that’s fair, I’m assuming they’d be comforted by the presence of God while they’re little. I figured it’s sort of like Santa?


God is not Santa. WTF? The two are nothing at all alike. Why are you assuming they will believe in god when little? Do you know anything about child development? Young kids have a VERY hard time understanding abstract concepts, which god is. Why are you assuming someone who can see them but they can't see will feel comforting rather than creepy and weird? You seem to have very firm preconceived notions about this.


That’s exactly why I’m posting this, because I have no idea if they would think god or some natural energy watching over them would be scary. Many of you have said it would creep them out - which is valuable feedback. This has helped me think through this - thank you! (And okay, maybe god isn’t similar to Santa…maybe Jesus would have been a better comparison).

My parents, on the other hand, routinely give my kids religious tokens that they get for free in the mail (think a cross with Jesus, prayer cards, picture of Pope, etc.). They pray before every meal, and my son looks at me like “WTF are they doing?” They also asked me why I didn’t set up the Christmas nativity set they gave me. Ughh. I’m wondering how to explain this all to my son while still being respectful to my parents and siblings.


I'd just say about the nativity set "Yeah, I'm not really into that. Actually, let's donate it to someone who would appreciate it but maybe can't afford it." And then drop it off at a church.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do not feel comforted by a god at all. I think if there is one, god is too busy to pay attention to me. And when someone dies I'm either comforted that they're "done" (they were old and finished living) or they're not tortured anymore (eating disorder, addiction, mental illness), or I'm not, but I miss them just the same.

You're trying to decide that not only should your kids believe in a god, but how they should feel about its presence. That's ... a lot.


Okay, that’s fair, I’m assuming they’d be comforted by the presence of God while they’re little. I figured it’s sort of like Santa?


God is not Santa. WTF? The two are nothing at all alike. Why are you assuming they will believe in god when little? Do you know anything about child development? Young kids have a VERY hard time understanding abstract concepts, which god is. Why are you assuming someone who can see them but they can't see will feel comforting rather than creepy and weird? You seem to have very firm preconceived notions about this.


That’s exactly why I’m posting this, because I have no idea if they would think god or some natural energy watching over them would be scary. Many of you have said it would creep them out - which is valuable feedback. This has helped me think through this - thank you! (And okay, maybe god isn’t similar to Santa…maybe Jesus would have been a better comparison).

My parents, on the other hand, routinely give my kids religious tokens that they get for free in the mail (think a cross with Jesus, prayer cards, picture of Pope, etc.). They pray before every meal, and my son looks at me like “WTF are they doing?” They also asked me why I didn’t set up the Christmas nativity set they gave me. Ughh. I’m wondering how to explain this all to my son while still being respectful to my parents and siblings.


I'd just say about the nativity set "Yeah, I'm not really into that. Actually, let's donate it to someone who would appreciate it but maybe can't afford it." And then drop it off at a church.


That's OK, in that it makes light of the idea of a nativity set, but it may seem like Mom is just asserting her power rather than teaching the kids something of value. Perhaps it would be better to assert that it's make believe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine ever respecting anyone who lies to me about life after death. Why should I believe anything you ever say, if you just say (or worse believe!) whatever you think will temporarily placate me instead of the truth?


Of course, no one really knows “the truth” about divine things, life after death or the other matters typically considered the subject of religion. People have beliefs. Not all beliefs agree. People disbelieve. They disagree with each other. There are all sorts of things nobody understands.


And there are more and more things that people do understand, thanks to modern science, which didn't exist when most religions were formed.

Please don't write off religious beliefs like that. It seems quite irresponsible.

It doesn't make any sense that a good Jew would go somewhere different after death than a good Christian. We all just die, like our beloved dogs and cats.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You don’t sound atheist.


You don't sound like a believer. Actually, I have no idea what you believe and you have no idea what OP believes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As an atheist, one of my strongest convictions to my children is NOT lying to them about magic sky daddy or having them believe fake things to comfort them. Obviously ymmv, but that was one thing I hated about religion and one thing I was determined not to do to my kids. So I don't really get the point.


This
post reply Forum Index » Religion
Message Quick Reply
Go to: