Trump's mass deportation plan - MoCo Impact

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Anonymous wrote:It’s gonna be harder and more expensive to find house cleaners, nannys, landscapers and construction workers. Need a new addition on your home? Expect to pay a lot more.

This is a really dehumanizing way to talk about migrants.

How’s that dehumanizing? I think it’s reality, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

How is it dehumanizing to reduce people to the value of the work they provide for you as low income servants?

I think that says more about how you view them. The facts are we, because I am Latina, do make up the bulk of the domestic household work. Construction crew, cleaning and childcare is made up of Latinos. I can’t speak about everybody’s immigration status, but we are the ones doing a lot of this type of work. “We” are not servants but like I said, I think it says a lot more about how you view us as we are not dehumanized by honest hard work.

LatinX please. Be inclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:What will be interesting is he wants to bring tarriffs but we don't have enough manufacturing and most Americans don't want those jobs. And, those he plans to deport also do other critical jobs.

I disagree that Americans don’t want those jobs. Dh comes from a rural town that had a big manufacturing plant that was shipped to Mexico. They were good jobs and most people working there liked it. I think unions were a bit crazy and drove the plant out of town, not just the wage difference between Mexicans and Americans.

In his town bachelors degrees aren’t common. Those who have them are nurses, teachers or accountants. So there aren’t too many jobs open to people without degrees, but are still willing to be trained.

We're talking about cleaning animal innards out of machines, not working in a car manufacturing plant that moved to Mexico. We're talking about men carrying trash cans on their backs filled with bricks out of houses being renovated and dumping them into dumpsters outside. We're talking about standing alongside paving machines emitting sickening fumes on 95 degree humid days, for 9 hours at a time. We're talking about the crew who comes into office buildings as everyone else leaves so they can stay all night cleaning toilets. I don't want those jobs for my kids. I'm lucky these sh** jobs that are low-paying enough to keep our country moving are an improvement over what's available in other countries.

No thank you to those jobs, and a big hats off to those who work them for low pay.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s gonna be harder and more expensive to find house cleaners, nannys, landscapers and construction workers. Need a new addition on your home? Expect to pay a lot more.

This is a really dehumanizing way to talk about migrants.

How’s that dehumanizing? I think it’s reality, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

How is it dehumanizing to reduce people to the value of the work they provide for you as low income servants?

I think that says more about how you view them. The facts are we, because I am Latina, do make up the bulk of the domestic household work. Construction crew, cleaning and childcare is made up of Latinos. I can’t speak about everybody’s immigration status, but we are the ones doing a lot of this type of work. “We” are not servants but like I said, I think it says a lot more about how you view us as we are not dehumanized by honest hard work.

When the topic of deportation came up your mind immediately goes to wondering who will clean your bathrooms. That’s who you are. Just own it.

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Anonymous wrote:He's not going to be able to do it, for one.

My guess is like most things, Trump will get two-three videos of himself near a group of people being deported (many of whom would have been deported anyway). He’ll call it “the biggest deportation in the history of America” and call it a day.

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Anonymous wrote:He's not going to be able to do it, for one.

My guess is like most things, Trump will get two-three videos of himself near a group of people being deported (many of whom would have been deported anyway). He’ll call it “the biggest deportation in the history of America” and call it a day.

Nope. Tom Homan will not be playing around.

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Anonymous wrote:What will be interesting is he wants to bring tarriffs but we don't have enough manufacturing and most Americans don't want those jobs. And, those he plans to deport also do other critical jobs.

I disagree that Americans don’t want those jobs. Dh comes from a rural town that had a big manufacturing plant that was shipped to Mexico. They were good jobs and most people working there liked it. I think unions were a bit crazy and drove the plant out of town, not just the wage difference between Mexicans and Americans.

In his town bachelors degrees aren’t common. Those who have them are nurses, teachers or accountants. So there aren’t too many jobs open to people without degrees, but are still willing to be trained.

They moved those jobs as it was cheaper for labor but those aren't all the jobs we are referring to.

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Anonymous wrote:They keep raising taxes in MoCo due to overcrowding. The huge amounts of illegal immigration to the area place tremendous strain on public services, the costs of which are shouldered by citizen taxpayers. Ebony h is enough. Deport them all. Charity and generosity are not unlimited. We are going to break the backs of our citizens who obey the law to pay a whole bunch of benefits going to foreign nationals. Ridiculous.

As a taxpayer, I do have to agree with this.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of students enrolled in MCPS will probably drop by 20% as so-called undocumented families flee. The size of the MCPS payroll will shrink significantly. Several schools will close.

The tax savings will be immense and will be repeated every year. Montgomery County will return to prosperity.

There won't be justification for AHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is only interested in graft to send money to himself and his friends. No one in his orbit any interest in doing the work behind his ideas, especially when they require paying middle class people to do the work.

Yeah. Expect the tax breaks for the wealthy that were due to expire to be made permanent. Opportunity Zones, set up to shift capital gain into an untaxed status but locked up to some degree, will be re-legislated to allow realization/disgorgement of those gains with no tax at all.

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It will just mean the immigrants will move more and more to the shadow economy. None will take a job where taxes are withheld and they are easier to find, and employers won’t even bother trying to verify status.

The perfect storm for inflation is tariffs and reducing the labor force…will be f**king hysterical if that’s the result.

None of this helps lazy Americans addicted to opiods living in opportunity deserts like most of WV as an example.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any facts or figures on this, but my impression is that there a pretty large number of undocumented people living in MoCo. Correct me if I'm wrong.

To the extent there is a large population, I'd have to guess we'd be seeing up close and personal what Trump's deportation plan is going to look like.

So - what's it going to look like? What are the pros, cons, first order, second order effects.

I feel like this could be one of the most significant policy implementations in modern history.

Do you think MD will cooperate with ICE?

I think ICE will be busy in Texas, where the governor wants action.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any facts or figures on this, but my impression is that there a pretty large number of undocumented people living in MoCo. Correct me if I'm wrong.

To the extent there is a large population, I'd have to guess we'd be seeing up close and personal what Trump's deportation plan is going to look like.

So - what's it going to look like? What are the pros, cons, first order, second order effects.

I feel like this could be one of the most significant policy implementations in modern history.

Do you think MD will cooperate with ICE?

I think ICE will be busy in Texas, where the governor wants action.

Trump will try to compel all states to cooperate. Not sure if he will be effective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have any facts or figures on this, but my impression is that there a pretty large number of undocumented people living in MoCo. Correct me if I'm wrong.

To the extent there is a large population, I'd have to guess we'd be seeing up close and personal what Trump's deportation plan is going to look like.

So - what's it going to look like? What are the pros, cons, first order, second order effects.

I feel like this could be one of the most significant policy implementations in modern history.

Do you think MD will cooperate with ICE?

I think ICE will be busy in Texas, where the governor wants action.

That might be the thing that finally pushes Texas blue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What will be interesting is he wants to bring tarriffs but we don't have enough manufacturing and most Americans don't want those jobs. And, those he plans to deport also do other critical jobs.

Just stop with the “Americans don’t want those jobs.”

There are a lot of ways for us to improve the quality of life for Americans through cutting off this labor source:
1) Labor shortages will drive up wages and people will want those jobs
2) Automation for things like meat packing, agriculture and manufacturing
3) increase vocational training for the trades (we graduate many kids with no marketable skills and need pressure from business to reform K-12 education and apprenticeships)
4) we support many able-bodied adults with many welfare programs (many Democrats argue that they are “unable” to work due to addiction, lack of education and work habits, etc. Perhaps if the alternative was destitution, they would be more motivated to show up to a job.)

In short, why should we rely on a continuing supply of low paid unskilled laborers to benefit corporations, but who exact many direct and indirect costs on society and American citizens?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They keep raising taxes in MoCo due to overcrowding. The huge amounts of illegal immigration to the area place tremendous strain on public services, the costs of which are shouldered by citizen taxpayers. Ebony h is enough. Deport them all. Charity and generosity are not unlimited. We are going to break the backs of our citizens who obey the law to pay a whole bunch of benefits going to foreign nationals. Ridiculous.

As a taxpayer, I do have to agree with this.

+1 Reduce the incentives for illegal immigrants to settle here, that's all. We simply can't afford from the perspective of infrastructure.