Why are many conservatives fixated on vaccine mandates?

[Anonymous]

My body, my choice, AMIRITE?

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Anonymous wrote:Conservatives are not about labor rights. They are about INDIVIDUAL rights.

Surprised you haven't got this. It's pretty basic. You know... nation of laws, not of men. Separation of Powers, Equal Protection, Private Property Rights, Due Process, Federalism, etc.

Liberals are all about state power over individuals. Conservatives are all about individual power over the state and not letting it get out of control, like it has today.

BTW, very few people were anti-vaccine until they started pushing mRNA vaccines rather than conventional recombinant and conjugate vaccines.

You're probably of this mondset that "newer is always better". Well, it isn't, especially when you're injecting things into people. Got it?

Finally, when I see MANDATES, I immediately want to fight them. If things are good, they'll sell themselves. If you have to have a bureaucrat standing over me, forcing me or threatening my livelihood to get what you want, then you have a fight on your hands.

That's where democrats fail. They lecture and cajole, but when people say no, then they move to coercion to get their way.

Your right for your child to die from a communicable disease stops where my child’s right to live is concerned.

If you don’t want to vaccinate your children against diseases that historically used to kill them then you keep your child at home to teach them yourself or you send them to a private school with other kids whose parents don’t want them inoculated against deadly diseases and they can all fester together.

If your kid is vaccinated, then what do you have to worry about with unvaccinated kids?

I guess you STILL don't understand how vaccines work and what they can, and cannot do.

Feel free to enlighten me. What exactly do vaccines do? How much protection do they give and for how long?

It depends on the virus they are protecting against. But few of them are 100% eradication, so sending your kid who might be infected with something to school, even if everyone else is inoculated, could still present an issue, which is why the schools prefer 100% inoculation.

Walk me through a new one, like RSV. What level of protection does that give when a kid is in kindergarten?

[Anonymous]

Conservatives were okay with vaccine requirements for kids in school. Well there are the crazy nutjob fringe, but for the most parts everyone was onboard with vaccine requirements. Conservatives need something to glom onto since Trump was doing a piss poor job during COVID and chose vaccines. COVID broke their brains.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservatives are not about labor rights. They are about INDIVIDUAL rights.

Surprised you haven't got this. It's pretty basic. You know... nation of laws, not of men. Separation of Powers, Equal Protection, Private Property Rights, Due Process, Federalism, etc.

Liberals are all about state power over individuals. Conservatives are all about individual power over the state and not letting it get out of control, like it has today.

BTW, very few people were anti-vaccine until they started pushing mRNA vaccines rather than conventional recombinant and conjugate vaccines.

You're probably of this mondset that "newer is always better". Well, it isn't, especially when you're injecting things into people. Got it?

Finally, when I see MANDATES, I immediately want to fight them. If things are good, they'll sell themselves. If you have to have a bureaucrat standing over me, forcing me or threatening my livelihood to get what you want, then you have a fight on your hands.

That's where democrats fail. They lecture and cajole, but when people say no, then they move to coercion to get their way.

Your right for your child to die from a communicable disease stops where my child’s right to live is concerned.

If you don’t want to vaccinate your children against diseases that historically used to kill them then you keep your child at home to teach them yourself or you send them to a private school with other kids whose parents don’t want them inoculated against deadly diseases and they can all fester together.

If your kid is vaccinated, then what do you have to worry about with unvaccinated kids?

I guess you STILL don't understand how vaccines work and what they can, and cannot do.

Feel free to enlighten me. What exactly do vaccines do? How much protection do they give and for how long?

It depends on the virus they are protecting against. But few of them are 100% eradication, so sending your kid who might be infected with something to school, even if everyone else is inoculated, could still present an issue, which is why the schools prefer 100% inoculation.

Walk me through a new one, like RSV. What level of protection does that give when a kid is in kindergarten?

You understand how google works, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives are not about labor rights. They are about INDIVIDUAL rights.

Surprised you haven't got this. It's pretty basic. You know... nation of laws, not of men. Separation of Powers, Equal Protection, Private Property Rights, Due Process, Federalism, etc.

Liberals are all about state power over individuals. Conservatives are all about individual power over the state and not letting it get out of control, like it has today.

BTW, very few people were anti-vaccine until they started pushing mRNA vaccines rather than conventional recombinant and conjugate vaccines.

You're probably of this mondset that "newer is always better". Well, it isn't, especially when you're injecting things into people. Got it?

Finally, when I see MANDATES, I immediately want to fight them. If things are good, they'll sell themselves. If you have to have a bureaucrat standing over me, forcing me or threatening my livelihood to get what you want, then you have a fight on your hands.

That's where democrats fail. They lecture and cajole, but when people say no, then they move to coercion to get their way.

Conservatism has never ever been about individual rights. It has always been about protecting a ruling establishment that is above the law and is empowered to deny individual rights to everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Because hurrr durrr you're not my real dad blah blah blah. Republicans tapped into and exploited what had previously been a fringe position and scared the crap out of everyone, making it just another "us against them" wedge issue.

[Anonymous]

Conservatism is not conservative any longer. It is all about privileged people whining about imaginary grievances. Conservatives are miserable SOBs who have to have something to piss and moan about all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Because conservatives are rightly skeptical of vaccine efficacy and safety.

Can anyone argue that the expanded vaccine mandates forced on kids today have made them any healthier than the more minimal vaccine schedules used on older generations?

Are any older people rushing out to get the vaccines they missed out on?

Polio? Tetanus? Diptheria? Ya, fun times.

Those were all covered by the vaccine schedule in the 1950s. Kids get 36+ vaccines now depending on how you count things. What benefit has then been from these additional 33+ vaccines that are required now but weren't before?

Maybe if you roll back the schedule to just your three examples, you wouldn't has nearly as much resistence.

Chickenpox. Did you have it when you were a kid? It was absolutely miserable. But I get it. Intelligence is no longer a trait favored by Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Yes..... I do not want my kid protected against cancer....hpv....No vaccines

[Anonymous]

So silly. Just got my vaccine this morning and feeling great.

[Anonymous]

I did not consider myself conservative until there were Covid vaccine mandates. Especially after Biden explicitly said during a tv interview that there wouldn’t be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives were okay with vaccine requirements for kids in school. Well there are the crazy nutjob fringe, but for the most parts everyone was onboard with vaccine requirements. Conservatives need something to glom onto since Trump was doing a piss poor job during COVID and chose vaccines. COVID broke their brains.

Can’t believe it took three pages to get to the real answer. This is it.

Conservatives oppose vaccine mandates because Donald Trump sought to downplay the risks of COVID in order to prevent the economy from tanking during an election year. He insisted that public health recommendations be ignored because people staying inside would hurt the market and make him look bad. This led to conservative opposition to mask mandates, insistence that ivermectin could cure COVID, etc. Opposition to the vaccines was simply an extension of their newfound fixation on defying public health officials.

Interestingly, if Trump had won, conservatives would likely have the highest vaccine uptake. Trump would’ve gone on a media spree and insisted that he personally created the vaccine and cured COVID. His thralls would be bending over backwards to get the jab.

tldr, it has nothing to do with fear of government overreach. The conservative antivax movement exists entirely because Donald Trump thought it was politically expedient to defy public health recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not consider myself conservative until there were Covid vaccine mandates. Especially after Biden explicitly said during a tv interview that there wouldn’t be.

But this isn’t political for you at all. You are just deciding each thing on the merits, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives are not about labor rights. They are about INDIVIDUAL rights.

Surprised you haven't got this. It's pretty basic. You know... nation of laws, not of men. Separation of Powers, Equal Protection, Private Property Rights, Due Process, Federalism, etc.

Liberals are all about state power over individuals. Conservatives are all about individual power over the state and not letting it get out of control, like it has today.

BTW, very few people were anti-vaccine until they started pushing mRNA vaccines rather than conventional recombinant and conjugate vaccines.

You're probably of this mondset that "newer is always better". Well, it isn't, especially when you're injecting things into people. Got it?

Finally, when I see MANDATES, I immediately want to fight them. If things are good, they'll sell themselves. If you have to have a bureaucrat standing over me, forcing me or threatening my livelihood to get what you want, then you have a fight on your hands.

That's where democrats fail. They lecture and cajole, but when people say no, then they move to coercion to get their way.

Your right for your child to die from a communicable disease stops where my child’s right to live is concerned.

If you don’t want to vaccinate your children against diseases that historically used to kill them then you keep your child at home to teach them yourself or you send them to a private school with other kids whose parents don’t want them inoculated against deadly diseases and they can all fester together.

If your kid is vaccinated, then what do you have to worry about with unvaccinated kids?

I guess you STILL don't understand how vaccines work and what they can, and cannot do.

Feel free to enlighten me. What exactly do vaccines do? How much protection do they give and for how long?

It depends on the virus they are protecting against. But few of them are 100% eradication, so sending your kid who might be infected with something to school, even if everyone else is inoculated, could still present an issue, which is why the schools prefer 100% inoculation.

Walk me through a new one, like RSV. What level of protection does that give when a kid is in kindergarten?

You understand how google works, right?

Google is not what it once was, and even in its heyday it fell on its face when dealing with technical questions. I was hoping a vaccine expert would actually know more. I can find a lot more about the adult RSV trials than I can the child one. What I see for the children is quite inadequate for a sweeping recommendation for vaccination. In terms of actual data from a trial, this is all I can find for children: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7309a4.htm?s_cid=mm7309a4_w

Its a real head scratcher on how to interpret this report and all its oddities. The very study design is deeply flawed: "Infants were eligible for this analysis if they were aged <8 months as of October 1, 2023, or born after October 1, 2023, were hospitalized with ARI** during October 1, 2023–February 29, 2024, and had verified nirsevimab status, reported gestational age at birth, and medical record review to assess for underlying medical conditions. Infants were excluded if they were enrolled before nirsevimab became available at their site,†† received any doses of palivizumab, had reported maternal RSV vaccination during pregnancy, or inconclusive or unknown RSV test results."

So if a kid was hospitalized for ARI, but tested negative for RSV, this was considered a win for the vaccine?

Read the limitations for some chuckles too.

Scroll through the data and see that basically only studied Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders and Mixed Race children.

And hidden at the end: "* Days 0–6 are not included because infants with receipt of nirsevimab within 7 days of symptom onset were excluded from this analysis." The same slight of hand they used for Covid.

And of course the recommendation: "This finding supports current CDC recommendations that all infants should be protected by maternal RSV vaccination or infant receipt of nirsevimab, to reduce the risk for RSV-associated hospitalization in their first RSV season (4,6)."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did not consider myself conservative until there were Covid vaccine mandates. Especially after Biden explicitly said during a tv interview that there wouldn’t be.

But this isn’t political for you at all. You are just deciding each thing on the merits, right?

I’m the PP and no I didn’t consider myself political at all before this. I still don’t like everything on the conservative side (I do support abortions until viability outside the womb) but I really hate someone telling me I need to inject something into my body and my kids’ bodies after they say that I won’t need to and we have proof that it doesn’t stop you getting the virus and it doesn’t stop you passing it on. It’s honestly insane and yes, quite obviously completely political.