MVA closed: switch to private virtual?

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any great options have been identified that are equal to the MVA.

Equal in what sense? The high chronic absenteeism relative to in-person rates? The poor graduation rates relative to in-person averages? The significant gap in achievement results particularly for the youngest and poorest students as compared to in-person achievement results? The rapidly declining enrollment year over year?

Funny you are parroting the same words as Felder and yet none of that is documented.
Where is all that data?

Of course it’s documented.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2023/Virtual%20Academy%20FINAL.pdf

https://moderatelymoco.com/exclusive-mpia-results-mcps-virtual-academy-under-the-microscope-with-a-disappointing-report-card/?amp=1

Now parrot back the response of “well, that’s from 2 years ago and doesnt account for the miraculous turnaround that the program made in the last 2 years where it reversed all of these horrendous data trends, the evidence of which has been deliberately held back in a conspiracy led by MCPS office staff” or the “that data can’t be trusted because most of the smarter kids in the MVA decided not to take the standardized tests that showed how far behind the MVA is than in-person schools” or “why don’t we close YOUR kids’ school if it isn’t performing well”.

You yourself are saying that’s not relevant so why post it. What is your sick obsession and why are you so nasty. Current data says very different.

The data is the data. I know it looks awful for the MVA program but that doesn’t mean I’m nasty when I post a link to the data when an MVA supporter up thread said the data showing the failures of the program doesn’t exist. Don’t shoot the messenger.

And of course the data is relevant. Unless you just want to take the word of folks who claim that the data from the most recent 2 years of the program are basically the opposite of what the data were for the first 2 and show a miraculous improvement.

Its old data that was the first year of the school. Compare it to all MCPS schools. Should we shut down all schools underperforming and bad attendance? That might be 1/3 the inperson schools.

It is a good program. Sorry you are too selfish to see as you couldn't handle doing it for your kids or putting your kids needs first.

The MVA is gone. OP was asking for alternatives so your nonsense posts are not needed or relevant.

You must be so happy you advoated for the closure hurting kids who need it. Hope you don't think you are a good person.

Good compared to what? Certainly not when compared to real schools.

In any event, if the OP refuses to send her kid to MCPS, then why is she posting in an MCPS forum?

Please show us lasts years data compared to in person schools. Oh wait, you can't.

And explain why MCPS summer school is virtual if it such a disaster.

Because it's cheaper and easier for MCPS. It certainly isn't better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Only if you count state-supported private programs like K-12 and Edmentum, in which case MCPS does, too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

DP. That depends on what you mean by "virtual." Most certainly do not offer live virtual instruction for all grades at a district level.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

I'm not the PP, but I did my own research. Here's what I found - the MCPS experience is not unique. First of all, enrollment in virtual schools exploded during the pandemic, only to fall once brick-and-mortar schools reopened:

"Between 2019-20 (pre-pandemic) and 2020-21, enrollment in full-time virtual schools nearly
doubled, increasing from 332,379 students to 643,930 a year later. In the following year
(between 2020-21 and 2021-22), total enrollments in full-time virtual schools declined by
65,000 students.

https://nepc.colorado.edu/publication/virtual-schools-annual-2023

MCPS is also similar to national norms in that kids enrolled in virtual schools underperformed compared to their peers in traditional schools.

"Research over the past dozen years, particularly
the national reports released by NEPC, has verified that the performance of full-time virtual
schools lags far behind, and the results are consistent from year to year with only occasional
signs of small improvements. The findings in this report confirm what has long been appar-
ent; the performance of full-time virtual schools is dramatically subpar"

"Virtual schools in general perform poorly, state vir-
tual school policies remain inadequate, and little if any research supports the claims being
made for virtual education. And yet virtual schools continue to spread. No doubt this is in
large part because: The policy environment remains, if not friendly, then indifferent; over-
sight is lax; and millions of dollars from profit-seeking investors promote the enterprise"

From the same study, I learned that there are more than 13,000 public school districts in the United States but only 484 of those districts have full-time virtual options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

I'm not the PP, but I did my own research. Here's what I found - the MCPS experience is not unique. First of all, enrollment in virtual schools exploded during the pandemic, only to fall once brick-and-mortar schools reopened:

"Between 2019-20 (pre-pandemic) and 2020-21, enrollment in full-time virtual schools nearly
doubled, increasing from 332,379 students to 643,930 a year later. In the following year
(between 2020-21 and 2021-22), total enrollments in full-time virtual schools declined by
65,000 students.

https://nepc.colorado.edu/publication/virtual-schools-annual-2023

MCPS is also similar to national norms in that kids enrolled in virtual schools underperformed compared to their peers in traditional schools.

"Research over the past dozen years, particularly
the national reports released by NEPC, has verified that the performance of full-time virtual
schools lags far behind, and the results are consistent from year to year with only occasional
signs of small improvements. The findings in this report confirm what has long been appar-
ent; the performance of full-time virtual schools is dramatically subpar"

"Virtual schools in general perform poorly, state vir-
tual school policies remain inadequate, and little if any research supports the claims being
made for virtual education. And yet virtual schools continue to spread. No doubt this is in
large part because: The policy environment remains, if not friendly, then indifferent; over-
sight is lax; and millions of dollars from profit-seeking investors promote the enterprise"

From the same study, I learned that there are more than 13,000 public school districts in the United States but only 484 of those districts have full-time virtual options.

Facts have never been welcomed by the MVA advocates.

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

I'm not the PP, but I did my own research. Here's what I found - the MCPS experience is not unique. First of all, enrollment in virtual schools exploded during the pandemic, only to fall once brick-and-mortar schools reopened:

"Between 2019-20 (pre-pandemic) and 2020-21, enrollment in full-time virtual schools nearly
doubled, increasing from 332,379 students to 643,930 a year later. In the following year
(between 2020-21 and 2021-22), total enrollments in full-time virtual schools declined by
65,000 students.

https://nepc.colorado.edu/publication/virtual-schools-annual-2023

MCPS is also similar to national norms in that kids enrolled in virtual schools underperformed compared to their peers in traditional schools.

"Research over the past dozen years, particularly
the national reports released by NEPC, has verified that the performance of full-time virtual
schools lags far behind, and the results are consistent from year to year with only occasional
signs of small improvements. The findings in this report confirm what has long been appar-
ent; the performance of full-time virtual schools is dramatically subpar"

"Virtual schools in general perform poorly, state vir-
tual school policies remain inadequate, and little if any research supports the claims being
made for virtual education. And yet virtual schools continue to spread. No doubt this is in
large part because: The policy environment remains, if not friendly, then indifferent; over-
sight is lax; and millions of dollars from profit-seeking investors promote the enterprise"

From the same study, I learned that there are more than 13,000 public school districts in the United States but only 484 of those districts have full-time virtual options.

lol your “facts” are just wrong.

https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/tables/201920_Virtual_Schools_table_3.asp
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Took less than a second to find the real information but I’m glad you felt the need to spend time writing it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

They are- they just didn’t work for YOU. Virtual education has been around since the early 2000s. Read a book. Evolve like the rest of the country has.

Look around. The vast majority of kids go to school because they work better for the vast majority of kids. If you want something special, either because you're afraid of an endemic illness or because you don't want your kids exposed to "fashion," then you're going to need to look beyond public schools at your own cost.

Nah, most public schools offer virtual.

Nah, not true. Sure, maybe for snow days and pandemics, but a fulsome virtual program that costs millions so that parents of sheltered kids and the shy ones can feel good? Nah. And especially nah in MCPS at this point.

Do your own research, smpotatoes. You’ll find the majority of school districts in the country offer virtual.

I'm not the PP, but I did my own research. Here's what I found - the MCPS experience is not unique. First of all, enrollment in virtual schools exploded during the pandemic, only to fall once brick-and-mortar schools reopened:

"Between 2019-20 (pre-pandemic) and 2020-21, enrollment in full-time virtual schools nearly
doubled, increasing from 332,379 students to 643,930 a year later. In the following year
(between 2020-21 and 2021-22), total enrollments in full-time virtual schools declined by
65,000 students.

https://nepc.colorado.edu/publication/virtual-schools-annual-2023

MCPS is also similar to national norms in that kids enrolled in virtual schools underperformed compared to their peers in traditional schools.

"Research over the past dozen years, particularly
the national reports released by NEPC, has verified that the performance of full-time virtual
schools lags far behind, and the results are consistent from year to year with only occasional
signs of small improvements. The findings in this report confirm what has long been appar-
ent; the performance of full-time virtual schools is dramatically subpar"

"Virtual schools in general perform poorly, state vir-
tual school policies remain inadequate, and little if any research supports the claims being
made for virtual education. And yet virtual schools continue to spread. No doubt this is in
large part because: The policy environment remains, if not friendly, then indifferent; over-
sight is lax; and millions of dollars from profit-seeking investors promote the enterprise"

From the same study, I learned that there are more than 13,000 public school districts in the United States but only 484 of those districts have full-time virtual options.

lol your “facts” are just wrong.

https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/tables/201920_Virtual_Schools_table_3.asp
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Took less than a second to find the real information but I’m glad you felt the need to spend time writing it up.

Are you under the impression your link supports your position? It doesn't. It lines up pretty closely with what the PP said, although "number of online schools" is not the same thing as "number of public school districts offering online programs".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aa county kept the virtual academy and it’s been a good fit for many families. I’m not dilute if there is a waitlist though, and you have to live in county

There you go, OP- move to AA County.

lol…. You’re proud Mcps hasn’t joined the 21st century? We’re so far beyond the times it’s actually embarrassing.

Virtual schools aren't the future- they're the past. We learned during the pandemic they don't work.

LOL
Then why are so many MCPS teachers and staff getting virtual advanced degrees?