TJ Class of 2025 - Estimated Class Rank

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Monitoring. Remedial math has been introduced starting with class of 2025, so curious how their gpa performance turns out compared to previous mostly merit classes. Prior classes also had a portion that were admitted on non-merit basis, but a smaller portion about 20+ compared to 160+ now.

Right now about 550 kids (100%) are admitted on a non-merit basis as freshmen.
Sure, some of those kids would have gotten in under a merit system but probably less than a third of them.
On the bright side, the level of stress for that third to be in the top third of the class is significantly reduced.

The froshmores are admitted on a merit basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

The vast majority of the students who received this message were members of the class of 2024 (it was delivered in the Spring of 2022). Nice try, though. You mistakenly made the opposite point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

Omg. This is from 3 years ago and it was for math 4, which was more sophomores who were under the old admissions and did first year during covid than freshmen. Also that teacher was a jerk. Enough.

[Anonymous]

That 2022 chart is senior graduating GPA which generally goes up by .1 or so because of so many APs, post APs and senior lab. This year, I was told that my junior with a 4.3 would likely be in the top 35/40%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

The vast majority of the students who received this message were members of the class of 2024 (it was delivered in the Spring of 2022). Nice try, though. You mistakenly made the opposite point.

Based on this chart, it looks like it would mostly be freshmen from the class of 2025.
https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/node/3332
Math 1&2 is geometry
Math 3 is algebra 2
Math 4 is pre-calc.
The majority of students taking pr-calc in 2022 were freshmen that took geometry in 8th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

Omg. This is from 3 years ago and it was for math 4, which was more sophomores who were under the old admissions and did first year during covid than freshmen. Also that teacher was a jerk. Enough.

OK, what am I missing?
The flow chart I posted above says that all math courses are semester courses so I would have thought that most of the kids in math 4 in 2022 would have been admitted under the new process.
Are math 3 and 4 year long courses?
The email wasn't sent by a single teacher, it was signed by all the Math 4 teachers. They were all disappointed in the performance and attitude of the Math 4 students.

[Anonymous]

Math 4 is harder than math 3. My daughter did not have enough time to review for her final exam because she had lots of projects and other final exams and AP exams at her first TJ school year. Otherwise, she can get A grade easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Math 4 is harder than math 3. My daughter did not have enough time to review for her final exam because she had lots of projects and other final exams and AP exams at her first TJ school year. Otherwise, she can get A grade easily.

I don't think the point of the email was that math 4 is easy but that the new cohort of students significantly under-performed all previous classes of math 4 students.
My understanding is that the school has reduced standards even further and provided even more support to keep grades up.
But you can only do so much for kids that don't have the foundational knowledge and training to drink out of a firehose. It's like trying to tune a car while it's driving the indy 500.
All this remediation they are trying really ought to be done at the K-8 level at the underrepresented schools.
A disproportionate number of the AAP kids in these schools are principal picks but a sizable number of them test into AAP pool.
Take the ones that test in and give them after school enrichment.
Watch them catch up to their peers in Mclean within a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Monitoring. Remedial math has been introduced starting with class of 2025, so curious how their gpa performance turns out compared to previous mostly merit classes. Prior classes also had a portion that were admitted on non-merit basis, but a smaller portion about 20+ compared to 160+ now.

Right now about 550 kids (100%) are admitted on a non-merit basis as freshmen.
Sure, some of those kids would have gotten in under a merit system but probably less than a third of them.
On the bright side, the level of stress for that third to be in the top third of the class is significantly reduced.

The froshmores are admitted on a merit basis.

approximately, how many froshmores were admitted last year? are they enrolled in any specific classes to makeup for missing TJ freshman year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Monitoring. Remedial math has been introduced starting with class of 2025, so curious how their gpa performance turns out compared to previous mostly merit classes. Prior classes also had a portion that were admitted on non-merit basis, but a smaller portion about 20+ compared to 160+ now.

Right now about 550 kids (100%) are admitted on a non-merit basis as freshmen.
Sure, some of those kids would have gotten in under a merit system but probably less than a third of them.
On the bright side, the level of stress for that third to be in the top third of the class is significantly reduced.

The froshmores are admitted on a merit basis.

approximately, how many froshmores were admitted last year? are they enrolled in any specific classes to makeup for missing TJ freshman year?

I think the number is like 10-20 froshmores most years. Might be more these days with so many dropouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is a junior Class of 2025 at TJ and has a GPA of 4.2 - any idea on where she is possibly placed in the class ranking. Trying to look at college options and from our understanding kids are compared against their HS peers. Thank you in advance.

Where does she want to go college?

[Anonymous]

T20

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:T20

Hard to say. What is the SAT and EC profile?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That 2022 chart is senior graduating GPA which generally goes up by .1 or so because of so many APs, post APs and senior lab. This year, I was told that my junior with a 4.3 would likely be in the top 35/40%.

Who gave you this information (top 35/40%)? Do the counselors provide this info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.