TJ Class of 2025 - Estimated Class Rank

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

We did not see that same sort of drop at other grade levels that we saw at the math 4 levels.
We didn't see this sort of drop among sophomores at other schools.
Not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

We did not see that same sort of drop at other grade levels that we saw at the math 4 levels.
We didn't see this sort of drop among sophomores at other schools.
Not even close.

I meant Freshmen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

Exactly scores are down across the board at all schools because of the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Kids have a pretty good idea of where they stand in relation to their peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

The admin staff is infiltrated with recruits that are designated gatekeepers that teachers' concerns should pass before they can express them openly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

Exactly scores are down across the board at all schools because of the pandemic.

Not like that they aren't.
You can't hide a fukken elephant behind rosebush.
The difference in academic performance between the new crop of kids and the kids from the old system is dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

Exactly scores are down across the board at all schools because of the pandemic.

Not like that they aren't.
You can't hide a fukken elephant behind rosebush.
The difference in academic performance between the new crop of kids and the kids from the old system is dramatic.

Nope, they are. You're just only seeing what you want to see to support a false narrative. You shouldn't let bitterness cloud your judgement.

[Anonymous]

As with most threads about TJ, this too has divertee into something else other than what the original poster wanted.

[Anonymous]

I thought that TJ doesn't provide class rank to colleges?

[Anonymous]

TJ doesn't provide class rank to either the students or the college's. It is not part of the transcript. This is FCPS policy and Loudoun too has started this starting from class of 2025. This is equity policy in action. TJ's principal is the band leader for these kind of policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2025 - how are the GPAs looking, higher or lower than 2024. Class of 2025 was the first batch after the admissions policy change.

Welp, they tried their hardest to keep the GPAs up.

They lowered standards, provided extra support and they still had the worst performance they've ever seen.

The teachers wrote:

"These scores are deeply disappointing, and are the lowest scores we’ve ever seen as Math 4 teachers on a Final Exam."

The math teachers noted that the final exam was “substantially easier” than final exams given to previous classes. The teachers said the students had “unprecedented supports provided to you this semester, including extra practice quizzes, bonus quizzes, practice worksheets, and a practice final exam, all things that were not given to previous students.”

The teachers continued:

"We expected to see scores rise, not drop, with our lowering of standards."

As a solution, the teachers said:

"We will curve the exam by 10 percentage points (which means 7.5 points, out of 75), but you should know that this curve is artificial and not deserved."

They also said:

"This indicates to us that you either didn’t study, or you studied poorly. Even worse, the preponderance of evidence indicates that many of you weren’t willing to change how you learned or studied since the start of Math 4."

They finish with:

"We still believe every single one of you belongs at this school and can succeed"

So the students of the new cohort had standards lowered, extra support and still did worse than ever before. But the teachers still believe in them. This was back in 2022, so maybe they were able to bring up their grades over the next few years. We will see. SAT scores will be published and we will also get some idea of what GPAs look like.

I'm against admitting so many kids with Algebra I in 8th grade. But, this message has nothing to do with the new vs. old cohorts. It happened soon after the covid closures, and was about how virtual schooling made the kids lazy cheaters with very weak math foundations.

They current TJ principal probably wouldn't let teachers send out any messages suggesting that the new cohorts are underperforming.

These were kids that took geometry in 8th grade.

You're pointing to covid as a confounding factor that might be the reason for this issue. If so, then you might expect similarly bad performance at other grade levels or at other schools, I mean covid didn't just affect those kids. I suppose the first year of TJ math might be a unicorn so that the results there don't correlate with results in any other context. But that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, especially considering the performance of the subsequent classes.

We did.

Exactly scores are down across the board at all schools because of the pandemic.

Not like that they aren't.
You can't hide a fukken elephant behind rosebush.
The difference in academic performance between the new crop of kids and the kids from the old system is dramatic.

Nope, they are. You're just only seeing what you want to see to support a false narrative. You shouldn't let bitterness cloud your judgement.

I'm seeing what objective test scores are showing us.
Median PSAT scores are down over 100 points. That's a dramatic difference.
TJ students are achieving advanced pass at lower rates and where we used to see 100% pass rates we are seeing some students fail.

So show me some objective metric that demonstrates that the caliber of students has not been diluted or are we just supposed to believe you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't provide class rank to either the students or the college's. It is not part of the transcript. This is FCPS policy and Loudoun too has started this starting from class of 2025. This is equity policy in action. TJ's principal is the band leader for these kind of policies.

I don't mind the lack of class rank at TJ mostly because it's not a fair comparison when a single B can drop you a quartile.
I'd like to see TJ grades normed to base school grades so there isn't a penalty getting into Virginia state schools that are very GPA conscious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That 2022 chart is senior graduating GPA which generally goes up by .1 or so because of so many APs, post APs and senior lab. This year, I was told that my junior with a 4.3 would likely be in the top 35/40%.

Who gave you this information (top 35/40%)? Do the counselors provide this info?

It was the counselor who gave us this as a rough estimate.