Netanyahu on CNBC opposes a two state solution for the Palestenians

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Anonymous wrote:Well Arafat turned down a two state solution when Ehub Barak offered it.

Ehud Barak the lame duck?

Yeah I can offer you a Brooklyn Bridge too.

It was offered and turned down. All you need to know. Many of the pro-Palestine crowd seem to forget history so just a quick refresh here. Two state solution was offered and Arafat rejected. So I don’t see why any new Israeli leader would rehash a rejected plan, especially after the Oct 7th attack. Such bad faith argument here.

It's like if you keep saying that it was offered and turned down, it will begin to mean something. Must every offer be accepted? Do you even KNOW, without googling, what exactly was offered? Or can I offer you an old rag and call it a state? What makes you think what was offered was attractive or met basic needs?

Well then Palestinians offered a two state solution to the 67 border and Israel rejected it, so? For decades now Israel has been paying lip service to a two state solution while on the ground they have been actively expelled palestinians from their homes and farms and allowed settlers to do it violently without repercussions. The purpose is making Palestinians’ life so miserable they would just get up and leave. From the river to the sea, all Israel. So just stop the BS. Negotiations have not been in good faith, knowing that they have the USA’s military might and money behind them. No need to agree to anything, just buying time and let the slow expulsion of Palestinians take place

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well Arafat turned down a two state solution when Ehub Barak offered it.

Ehud Barak the lame duck?

Yeah I can offer you a Brooklyn Bridge too.

It was offered and turned down. All you need to know. Many of the pro-Palestine crowd seem to forget history so just a quick refresh here. Two state solution was offered and Arafat rejected. So I don’t see why any new Israeli leader would rehash a rejected plan, especially after the Oct 7th attack. Such bad faith argument here.

It's like if you keep saying that it was offered and turned down, it will begin to mean something. Must every offer be accepted? Do you even KNOW, without googling, what exactly was offered? Or can I offer you an old rag and call it a state? What makes you think what was offered was attractive or met basic needs?

Well then Palestinians offered a two state solution to the 67 border and Israel rejected it, so? For decades now Israel has been paying lip service to a two state solution while on the ground they have been actively expelled palestinians from their homes and farms and allowed settlers to do it violently without repercussions. The purpose is making Palestinians’ life so miserable they would just get up and leave. From the river to the sea, all Israel. So just stop the BS. Negotiations have not been in good faith, knowing that they have the USA’s military might and money behind them. No need to agree to anything, just buying time and let the slow expulsion of Palestinians take place

Israel gives the finger to the US every day. What does Biden do? He gets down on his knees and begs for forgiveness. The US is joke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu has never supported a two state solution. He might have pretended he did to appease critic and keep foreign aid flowing but he never supported it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

If you want to be left alone in your own state, you don't build the state where other people already live. Go find a desert with no people and make your state there.

[Anonymous]

It is the Middle East
An endless hornets nest
No amount of money will solve the issue, Israel doesn’t want US money to stop or cease

It is not for us to solve their problems, let us step back from the problem, if they really wanted peace, both sides would have it by now

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand people who can’t separate Netanyahu from the state of Israel. It’s like being unable to separate Trump and MAGA from the United States. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician who has certainly hurt his country, but that doesn’t take away from Israel’s sovereignty in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

If you want to be left alone in your own state, you don't build the state where other people already live. Go find a desert with no people and make your state there.

Eh, people are free to immigrate. You sound like a “progressive” so don’t you agree with that? There were some indigenous Jews there, a bunch more joined them, and given everyone was living under British colonial control anyway, you really shouldn’t be getting so upset about Jews wanted A PART of the land for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

If you want to be left alone in your own state, you don't build the state where other people already live. Go find a desert with no people and make your state there.

Eh, people are free to immigrate. You sound like a “progressive” so don’t you agree with that? There were some indigenous Jews there, a bunch more joined them, and given everyone was living under British colonial control anyway, you really shouldn’t be getting so upset about Jews wanted A PART of the land for themselves.

So you stole other people’s land and you are unrepentant. Why should US tax dollars and influence support this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

There are what … 7.5 - 8M Jews here in the U.S., right? So we actually have more Jews than Israel? If that’s the case, and it is, this “own state” argument doesn’t hold any water at all.

It’s not needed. I’m not arguing that it shouldn’t exist, but the argument that it should exist, or that it MUST exist, is an empty one. It’s here now, so we need to figure out how to get these groups to coexist. But it’s not NEEDED.

People need to understand the difference between wants and needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

There are what … 7.5 - 8M Jews here in the U.S., right? So we actually have more Jews than Israel? If that’s the case, and it is, this “own state” argument doesn’t hold any water at all.

It’s not needed. I’m not arguing that it shouldn’t exist, but the argument that it should exist, or that it MUST exist, is an empty one. It’s here now, so we need to figure out how to get these groups to coexist. But it’s not NEEDED.

People need to understand the difference between wants and needs.

They could have Ireland.

There are 36 million Irish Americans and only 7 million in Ireland. Why does Ireland need to exist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who can’t separate Netanyahu from the state of Israel. It’s like being unable to separate Trump and MAGA from the United States. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician who has certainly hurt his country, but that doesn’t take away from Israel’s sovereignty in general.

Yep
Netanyahu is the prime minister for life according to Middle East custom, so he is popular enough to be constantly voted in.
I don’t understand people who cannot separate Hamas from the state of Gaza.

[Anonymous]

I think N’s wrong to oppose two states but I oppose 1 state “solution”. I do think that given the uniquely persecuted history of Jews (not just during the Holocaust) across multiple countries and the fact that there is no where else in the world where they are their own country that a majority Jewish state is an important thing to keep in the world.

- not Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

And yet if anyone says the state of Israel should not exist it is antisemitic. It is only allowed to say a Palestinian state should never exist.

Bingo.

That makes no sense. Like learn to write a grammatically correct sentence first. Palestinians are the ones who rejected the two state solution. Nice try in manufactured outrage. You need to brush up on the history of this conflict before posting this trash.

Oh look another Zionist post. Yell and scream at anyone who say Israel should not exist while saying a Palestinian state will never exist. Take your milḥemet mitzvah some place else.

I’m not a Zionist nor am I even Jewish. I’m your average American who has lived through this BS for years and think both sides suck but Hamas is a terrorist organization who places the destruction of Israel over the needs and well being of Palestinians people. Hamas/Arafat whoever never negotiate in good faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

There are more Palestinians than Jews from a population standpoint, so in a one state solution, the Jews would be ceding control.

That is why Biden and others support a two state solution.

Sounds a lot like South Africa. The white majority didn't want to cede control to the Black majority they'd stolen the place from. I think we can all agree that it was for the best that they get over it and share. And no one should have been surprised when the Black population refused to be corralled into ghettos and disenfranchised in their own country.

Minority rule is wrong. Treating people as second class citizens in their own country is wrong. Those people are always going to fight you, by any means necessary, until they are given their freedom.

It isn’t like South Africa. It is its own problem and has an entirely different history.