Netanyahu on CNBC opposes a two state solution for the Palestenians

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

You have to be drunk on propaganda and crazy with cognitive dissonance if you can't see that calling yourself a superior race entitled to your own ethno fiefdom cleansed of the indigenous population is exactly the same as white supremacists.

All religions think they are uniquely correct. Judaism’s notion of a chosen people is THE MOST benign manifestation of that phenomenon. No proselytizing. No domination. Jews have to hold themselves to a higher standard than others. It’s a chosen-ness that imposes burdens. If you are such a simpleton that you reduce everything to “Jews think they are a superior race,” then God speed to you. Navigating a world that’s more complex than your mind can handle must be tough.

There is nothing BENIGN about thinking you are superior to others. Nothing.

What reaction do you get from Muslims when you scream that at them?

Oh wait, you don’t have a problem with Islam or any other religion? You know, you can’t even *enter* Mecca, period, if you are not Muslim?

You’re ignorant and picking on Israel just works for you for reasons that you should really examine closely.

I do have a problem with that as well. But we're talking about Palestine, the most secular Arab nation there is, and not Saudi Arabia. If I have problem with Saudi doing that should I not also have a problem with Israel doing it?

Plenty of Israelis are secular too, but here you are droning on about Jews thinking they are the chosen people! Gaza is probably more religious than Israel and should have been building more schools instead of the ridiculous density of mosques in that place. You have given probably zero percent of your life to caring about what far more horrible countries than Israel are doing.

Lol, you're so unbelievably wrong with your assumptions. I'm a full on Arendt, Goldstone, etc stan.

Name dropping people smarter than you! Well that certainly excuses you from responding in your own words.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

Oh, I understand that. What I don't understand is how that justifies apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

Go back to page one and read from the beginning. When you’re attacked over and over from the beginning as Israel has been, for something (the creation of Israel) that you just claimed to understand was justified, a military response that results in casualties and refugee camps is not “apartheid and ethnic cleansing.”

No, not really. Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing is never justified.

Totally agree! Good thing Israel is not committing those things.

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Anonymous wrote:What am I reading here? Jewish people are special so they have a hall pass to commit genocide or other atrocities in the names of a Jewish homeland? Is this how low we have all fallen?

Tell me this is not what pro Israeli people are talking.

No one is saying specialness justifies genocide. But it does justify Israel existing as a Jewish state.

Seriously why? I am not jew and have no interest is a Jewish state. Why should the US be the guarantor of a Jewish state? Why should the resources of the US be at the call of a Jewish state?

I understand if you are Jewish. You have your own private country paid for and protected by the US. It does not make sense for anyone else.

Because it also happens to be an awesome military ally in the region, an albeit imperfect democracy in a region full of crap regimes (that no one at Columbia bothers to protest on the regular!) and technology hub from which the US benefits. Israel rocks.

Israel is not our ally. Get real. We know their intelligence is self serving to the point of being useless and why would anyone trust it after all the major failures? Israel does not allow US to use their airspace or airfields. They would never provide troops or help us in a war. It is a real struggle to see Israel as ally of the US. At best Israel is a protectorate.

Palestine isn’t an ally either.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Yigal Amir was not a terrorist. He was following Jewish law. Many rabbis had proclaimed din rodef. There is no hope for the Palestinians.

Please don't delete this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant of open calls for genocide.

Calling it a genocide is so hyperbolic. You sound hysterical. Palestinians attacked Israelis. There has been a back and forth of attacks for decades. Neither party is innocent. Both sides keep perpetuating the violence. As for the person posting about Amir above, s/he is being hyperbolic just like you. Both of you are flip sides of the same coin.

A terrorist organization attacked Israel. The vast majority of people Israel has murdered were innocent of that crime. The goal is ethnic cleansing. Denying that this is a genocide in process ignores what you can plainly see with your eyes, and what many Israeli officials have stated outright.

It is not genocide. I know you’re trying to rebrand a war. Civilians are killed during war. If they didn’t want war, they should not attack Israel. Nobody called the U.S. war on Afghanistan after 9/11 a genocide.

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Anonymous wrote:What am I reading here? Jewish people are special so they have a hall pass to commit genocide or other atrocities in the names of a Jewish homeland? Is this how low we have all fallen?

Tell me this is not what pro Israeli people are talking.

No one is saying specialness justifies genocide. But it does justify Israel existing as a Jewish state.

Which they are committing a genocide to clear it of the undesirables they've decided aren't pure enough to live among them. Gee. Who does that sound like?

The Israeli military employed harm-reduction and humanitarian policies to a far greater extent than literally any other country, including our own. I hope you apply your bizarrely overbroad definition of genocide to literally every other military confrontation too.

40k innocents dead, the majority of which were women and children. Hospitals and schools bombed. Mass graves and evidence of torture. War crimes on top of war crimes. Loud proclamations of your goal of ethnic cleansing.

You're right, this is totally normal and acceptable, and not at all what a genocide looks like as it unfolds. You morons won't admit it was a genocide until they finish the job.

Hamas wildly inflated that, as the recent UN numbers revision proved. This is a major military confrontation and high casualties do not equal genocide. You’ve probably never leveled a charge of genocide against any government in your lifetime except for Israel, for which it just seems to roll of your tongue.

The UN didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

You have to be drunk on propaganda and crazy with cognitive dissonance if you can't see that calling yourself a superior race entitled to your own ethno fiefdom cleansed of the indigenous population is exactly the same as white supremacists.

All religions think they are uniquely correct. Judaism’s notion of a chosen people is THE MOST benign manifestation of that phenomenon. No proselytizing. No domination. Jews have to hold themselves to a higher standard than others. It’s a chosen-ness that imposes burdens. If you are such a simpleton that you reduce everything to “Jews think they are a superior race,” then God speed to you. Navigating a world that’s more complex than your mind can handle must be tough.

There is nothing BENIGN about thinking you are superior to others. Nothing.

What reaction do you get from Muslims when you scream that at them?

Oh wait, you don’t have a problem with Islam or any other religion? You know, you can’t even *enter* Mecca, period, if you are not Muslim?

You’re ignorant and picking on Israel just works for you for reasons that you should really examine closely.

I do have a problem with that as well. But we're talking about Palestine, the most secular Arab nation there is, and not Saudi Arabia. If I have problem with Saudi doing that should I not also have a problem with Israel doing it?

Plenty of Israelis are secular too, but here you are droning on about Jews thinking they are the chosen people! Gaza is probably more religious than Israel and should have been building more schools instead of the ridiculous density of mosques in that place. You have given probably zero percent of your life to caring about what far more horrible countries than Israel are doing.

Gaza had 12 universities and a 97% literacy rate.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

Oh, I understand that. What I don't understand is how that justifies apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

Go back to page one and read from the beginning. When you’re attacked over and over from the beginning as Israel has been, for something (the creation of Israel) that you just claimed to understand was justified, a military response that results in casualties and refugee camps is not “apartheid and ethnic cleansing.”

Hasbara getting desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Yigal Amir was not a terrorist. He was following Jewish law. Many rabbis had proclaimed din rodef. There is no hope for the Palestinians.

Please don't delete this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant of open calls for genocide.

Calling it a genocide is so hyperbolic. You sound hysterical. Palestinians attacked Israelis. There has been a back and forth of attacks for decades. Neither party is innocent. Both sides keep perpetuating the violence. As for the person posting about Amir above, s/he is being hyperbolic just like you. Both of you are flip sides of the same coin.

A terrorist organization attacked Israel. The vast majority of people Israel has murdered were innocent of that crime. The goal is ethnic cleansing. Denying that this is a genocide in process ignores what you can plainly see with your eyes, and what many Israeli officials have stated outright.

It is not genocide. I know you’re trying to rebrand a war. Civilians are killed during war. If they didn’t want war, they should not attack Israel. Nobody called the U.S. war on Afghanistan after 9/11 a genocide.

What!?

I remember people accusing the US of "genocide" from the moment the invasion of Afghanistan began.

I'm not saying they were using the word correctly. But they were using it.

I'm afraid the lesson learned by many was that they will be accused of war crimes and genocide no matter what, so they might as well ensure their meet their strategic objectives, even if that means mass casualties. Better to be judged by 12 than buried 6 feet under, or however that saying goes.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

You have to be drunk on propaganda and crazy with cognitive dissonance if you can't see that calling yourself a superior race entitled to your own ethno fiefdom cleansed of the indigenous population is exactly the same as white supremacists.

All religions think they are uniquely correct. Judaism’s notion of a chosen people is THE MOST benign manifestation of that phenomenon. No proselytizing. No domination. Jews have to hold themselves to a higher standard than others. It’s a chosen-ness that imposes burdens. If you are such a simpleton that you reduce everything to “Jews think they are a superior race,” then God speed to you. Navigating a world that’s more complex than your mind can handle must be tough.

You're out of your gourd. You think this is benign? Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Yigal Amir was not a terrorist. He was following Jewish law. Many rabbis had proclaimed din rodef. There is no hope for the Palestinians.

Please don't delete this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant of open calls for genocide.

Calling it a genocide is so hyperbolic. You sound hysterical. Palestinians attacked Israelis. There has been a back and forth of attacks for decades. Neither party is innocent. Both sides keep perpetuating the violence. As for the person posting about Amir above, s/he is being hyperbolic just like you. Both of you are flip sides of the same coin.

A terrorist organization attacked Israel. The vast majority of people Israel has murdered were innocent of that crime. The goal is ethnic cleansing. Denying that this is a genocide in process ignores what you can plainly see with your eyes, and what many Israeli officials have stated outright.

It is not genocide. I know you’re trying to rebrand a war. Civilians are killed during war. If they didn’t want war, they should not attack Israel. Nobody called the U.S. war on Afghanistan after 9/11 a genocide.

There's no war. The Palestinians are not fighting, they're starving. They don't even have an army. Calling this a war is as laughable as it is despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

Oh, I understand that. What I don't understand is how that justifies apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

Go back to page one and read from the beginning. When you’re attacked over and over from the beginning as Israel has been, for something (the creation of Israel) that you just claimed to understand was justified, a military response that results in casualties and refugee camps is not “apartheid and ethnic cleansing.”

No, not really. Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing is never justified.

Totally agree! Good thing Israel is not committing those things.

Words have meaning dear. You can't just shake your head nuh uh in the face of verifiable fact. Israel is an apartheid state, and they have been trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land for 80 years.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

You have to be drunk on propaganda and crazy with cognitive dissonance if you can't see that calling yourself a superior race entitled to your own ethno fiefdom cleansed of the indigenous population is exactly the same as white supremacists.

All religions think they are uniquely correct. Judaism’s notion of a chosen people is THE MOST benign manifestation of that phenomenon. No proselytizing. No domination. Jews have to hold themselves to a higher standard than others. It’s a chosen-ness that imposes burdens. If you are such a simpleton that you reduce everything to “Jews think they are a superior race,” then God speed to you. Navigating a world that’s more complex than your mind can handle must be tough.

There is nothing BENIGN about thinking you are superior to others. Nothing.

What reaction do you get from Muslims when you scream that at them?

Oh wait, you don’t have a problem with Islam or any other religion? You know, you can’t even *enter* Mecca, period, if you are not Muslim?

You’re ignorant and picking on Israel just works for you for reasons that you should really examine closely.

I do have a problem with that as well. But we're talking about Palestine, the most secular Arab nation there is, and not Saudi Arabia. If I have problem with Saudi doing that should I not also have a problem with Israel doing it?

Plenty of Israelis are secular too, but here you are droning on about Jews thinking they are the chosen people! Gaza is probably more religious than Israel and should have been building more schools instead of the ridiculous density of mosques in that place. You have given probably zero percent of your life to caring about what far more horrible countries than Israel are doing.

Lol, you're so unbelievably wrong with your assumptions. I'm a full on Arendt, Goldstone, etc stan.

Name dropping people smarter than you! Well that certainly excuses you from responding in your own words.

I would hope so. I'm a nobody. Just a random American that see's what is happening and recognizes it for what it is.

It's truly scary to see how a seemingly normal fellow American, such as yourself, casually slides so easily into defending the indefensible because they're afraid of losing an internet argument.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

Oh, I understand that. What I don't understand is how that justifies apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

Go back to page one and read from the beginning. When you’re attacked over and over from the beginning as Israel has been, for something (the creation of Israel) that you just claimed to understand was justified, a military response that results in casualties and refugee camps is not “apartheid and ethnic cleansing.”

No, not really. Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing is never justified.

Totally agree! Good thing Israel is not committing those things.

Words have meaning dear. You can't just shake your head nuh uh in the face of verifiable fact. Israel is an apartheid state, and they have been trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land for 80 years.

Yes but it does not matter because the US is totally on board with it. Every US politician actively supports Israel, its settlements, use of US weapons that violate US laws, crimes against humanity and apartheid agenda. How many times have the US vetoed the UN ceasefire resolution? Just watch Biden when Bibi slaps him down. Biden will grovel before Netanyahu and quick agree to anything he demands. No US politician will stand up to Israel. The US is a vassal state of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

If you want to be left alone in your own state, you don't build the state where other people already live. Go find a desert with no people and make your state there.

Eh, people are free to immigrate. You sound like a “progressive” so don’t you agree with that? There were some indigenous Jews there, a bunch more joined them, and given everyone was living under British colonial control anyway, you really shouldn’t be getting so upset about Jews wanted A PART of the land for themselves.

Heard of the Balfour declaration?
The Sykes-Picot Treaty?

The Brits and French promised the same land to two peoples.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Russian “oppression” is not the same thing as mass killing targeting an ethnic group. Russia has deported certain groups and but not mass murdered them. Also Russia is awful to everyone includes Russians who were serfs/slaves. Same with China’s treatment - re-educating Uyghurs is awful but they aren’t slaughtering them en masse. Please be more specific about “South America.” What ethnic group was singled out for extermination by the Zulu empire? What are you even talking about. Yes, lots of governments are brutal and awful. No, no cohesive national group has been so consistently persecuted as the Jews.

Zionism was founded in order to save Jews from Russian pogroms. If the Russian pogroms weren't that bad then well whoops to your argument.

Reading comprehension fail. Jews are special. Get over it.

No. They aren't. You're no different than a skinhead screeching about white power. You sound stupid.

You sound historically ignorant and incapable of taking account of the context behind Israel’s existence.

There's no historical context that makes Jewish people superior to anyone else. Yeah they've been through shit. So have a lot of other people. They're still just people after all, no better than anyone else. It's this kind of thinking that's found yourselves becoming the very thing you once fought against.

I am not Jewish. The impetus behind Jews wanting a tiny country of self-governance for their own safety and security is not difficult for me to understand. You have to be the worst kind of black-and-white thinker to believe that in this scenario Israelis are acting “just like” American white supremacists.

Oh, I understand that. What I don't understand is how that justifies apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

Go back to page one and read from the beginning. When you’re attacked over and over from the beginning as Israel has been, for something (the creation of Israel) that you just claimed to understand was justified, a military response that results in casualties and refugee camps is not “apartheid and ethnic cleansing.”

No, not really. Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing is never justified.

Totally agree! Good thing Israel is not committing those things.

Words have meaning dear. You can't just shake your head nuh uh in the face of verifiable fact. Israel is an apartheid state, and they have been trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land for 80 years.

Yes but it does not matter because the US is totally on board with it. Every US politician actively supports Israel, its settlements, use of US weapons that violate US laws, crimes against humanity and apartheid agenda. How many times have the US vetoed the UN ceasefire resolution? Just watch Biden when Bibi slaps him down. Biden will grovel before Netanyahu and quick agree to anything he demands. No US politician will stand up to Israel. The US is a vassal state of Israel.

So much for the land of the free, now everyone can see how free we are and who are the true masters.